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Itv leaders debate.

SocketRocket said:
Whats your opinion?
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My opinion is that I'm glad that he is looking like he won't get the seat

And there is also the worry that a new leader could be one of the racists that hasn't been flushed out yet
 
Liverpoolphil said:
My opinion is that I'm glad that he is looking like he won't get the seat

And there is also the worry that a new leader could be one of the racists that hasn't been flushed out yet
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Do you have proof there are racists that have not been flushed out? Don't worry too much though, after all it's only your opinion!. It may not even be true!
 
SocketRocket said:
Whats your opinion?
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I know I wasn't asked, but I think it's an interesting one. You could argue that his charisma and charm has gained a lot of the support, although the counter argument is that the support for the policies would have gained that support no matter who was the face. Potentially a female leader to replace him might be even more effective (as I believe that women as less supportive of UKIP as a whole? could be worng though)
 
CheltenhamHacker said:
I know I wasn't asked, but I think it's an interesting one. You could argue that his charisma and charm has gained a lot of the support, although the counter argument is that the support for the policies would have gained that support no matter who was the face. Potentially a female leader to replace him might be even more effective (as I believe that women as less supportive of UKIP as a whole? could be worng though)
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Good reply! Although there is currently one point splitting three main contenders for the seat, so still wide open and not a cut and dry situation.
 
SocketRocket said:
Good reply! Although there is currently one point splitting three main contenders for the seat, so still wide open and not a cut and dry situation.
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And still so far to go before the election. I genuinely wonder how many people will actually change their mind in the upcoming weeks. Would be surprised if it's a significant %, would be nice if they cut all the nonsense down to a week. Every party gets their manifesto delivered to each house, no live debates, no endless repetition, just base it on the manifestos you read.

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Imagine this for an idea. All manifestos delivered, no parties mentioned, anonymous except for a code. You then enter the code at the polling booth for who you want to vote for. I appreciate for most people you could tell party to party, but it gets rid of a bit of the nonsense. YOu could then have a number of different codes, so that people wouldn't be identifiable, but at the same time, the parties couldn't just announce which codes are theres. (odds of this happening......0)
 
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CheltenhamHacker said:
And still so far to go before the election. I genuinely wonder how many people will actually change their mind in the upcoming weeks. Would be surprised if it's a significant %, would be nice if they cut all the nonsense down to a week. Every party gets their manifesto delivered to each house, no live debates, no endless repetition, just base it on the manifestos you read.

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Imagine this for an idea. All manifestos delivered, no parties mentioned, anonymous except for a code. You then enter the code at the polling booth for who you want to vote for. I appreciate for most people you could tell party to party, but it gets rid of a bit of the nonsense. YOu could then have a number of different codes, so that people wouldn't be identifiable, but at the same time, the parties couldn't just announce which codes are theres. (odds of this happening......0)
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It's quite complex what makes individuals lean in this or that political direction. It seems to me as someone who is Ahem! getting on a bit that people tend to be more left wing when young and then start to drift more to the right with age. Maybe their life experiences make people less socialist and believe that the state is not what creates business and jobs. I guess the 'Aging Population' will be a boost to the Conservatives or even UKIP in the future.
 
SocketRocket said:
Do you have proof there are racists that have not been flushed out? Don't worry too much though, after all it's only your opinion!. It may not even be true!
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You asked my opinion and i gave it - i believe there will be other UKIP members that are racist or sexist or homophobic to go with the other UKIP members that have been found to be so and kicked out of the party.
 
ColchesterFC said:
Demanding answers from others and then refusing to answer a direct question because you don't like it. Sounds like you should be a politician yourself DfT. Personally I think that your refusal speaks volumes about the type of person you are.
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Using deflection to continue to refuse to answer my question........well done.

I think the only folk in the UK who do not recognise that the Telegraph story is a total piece of horsepoo are on here desperately trying to recover any credibility.

Even The father of Deputy Dug [SLAB deputy leader] has told her to make sure she checks her facts.
Carmichael says 'it's one of those things'. Aye that's right, one of those false things that came out of his office.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Using deflection to continue to refuse to answer my question........well done.

I think the only folk in the UK who do not recognise that the Telegraph story is a total piece of horsepoo are on here desperately trying to recover any credibility.

Even The father of Deputy Dug [SLAB deputy leader] has told her to make sure she checks her facts.
Carmichael says 'it's one of those things'. Aye that's right, one of those false things that came out of his office.
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What exactly was your question - you keep posting that people refuse to answer your questions but i havent actually seen many from you

So at first you accused the paper of making it up and its all false - now its confirmed the memo did indeed exist so is it not possible that its actually reporting the facts of what was said ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32188345

You said yesterday that the Telegraph insulted all scots yesterday - can you please tell me how they did that ?
 
SocketRocket said:
Do you have proof there are racists that have not been flushed out? Don't worry too much though, after all it's only your opinion!. It may not even be true!
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While Farage appears to have done a pretty good job of removing the potential embarrassing faux-pas candidates/members - his 'extremist, nasty or barmy' purge - it seems he wasn't totally successful - a UKIP Councillor (who had defected from the Tories)recently blamed the floods in Henley on (presumably God's wrath at) the passage of gay marriage law.

As proving anything that 'hasn't been flushed out' is impossible - at least until it has been flushed out! - applying the metrics for Quality/Faults (N have been discovered (recently), that would imply there are about M still to be discovered) would indicate, to me at least, that there are a couple of embarrassing ones still in there. Whether they are found/reveal themselves before May 7 is the question. I'm pretty certain that there will be journalists ready to pounce on any faux-pas, or even actively tracking them down!
 
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Liverpoolphil said:
What exactly was your question - you keep posting that people refuse to answer your questions but i havent actually seen many from you

So at first you accused the paper of making it up and its all false - now its confirmed the memo did indeed exist so is it not possible that its actually reporting the facts of what was said ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32188345

You said yesterday that the Telegraph insulted all scots yesterday - can you please tell me how they did that ?
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Phil the memo you mention appears to have been generated from the London Scottish office who were not at the meeting.
The Foreign office say there is no memo of the meeting.

Banner headline that says Scotland was naive etc.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Phil the memo you mention appears to have been generated from the London Scottish office who were not at the meeting.
The Foreign office say there is no memo of the meeting.

Banner headline that says Scotland was naive etc.
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Doesnt matter now what the Foriegn Office say - The Scotland Office have said the memo came from them - so all your posturing about Telegraph was false

its a simple question for you - have politicians etc ever been caught lying to cover themselves up ?

And one reporting in the Telegraph says that the SNP and nationlists etc are getting deluded - he prob has it spot on if you witness what some people say on here - especially about independence - they all appear to have forgotten a vote was taken last year

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ore-has-Scotland-been-quite-this-deluded.html
 
Liverpoolphil said:
And one reporting in the Telegraph says that the SNP and nationlists etc are getting deluded - he prob has it spot on if you witness what some people say on here - especially about independence - they all appear to have forgotten a vote was taken last year

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ore-has-Scotland-been-quite-this-deluded.html
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That particular 'reporter' is an embarrassment to the journalistic profession (imo of course!)! He's as close to a right wing press secretary as there can be without having an official title! And an advocate of torture - 'where necessary'!
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Doesnt matter now what the Foriegn Office say - The Scotland Office have said the memo came from them - so all your posturing about Telegraph was false

its a simple question for you - have politicians etc ever been caught lying to cover themselves up ?

And one reporting in the Telegraph says that the SNP and nationlists etc are getting deluded - he prob has it spot on if you witness what some people say on here - especially about independence - they all appear to have forgotten a vote was taken last year

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ore-has-Scotland-been-quite-this-deluded.html
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its going into meltdown on some social media sites- I dont frequent them but a friend is very active within the SNP and what he 'likes' I see.

The overriding theme from what SNP supporters I see posting appears to be (and I summarise) "The UK wanted us tae stay, now you will know fear as we wreck your union..." there are many similar posts all with the same theme and all get 'likes'. It's actually quite disturbing reading the vile hatred and passion to destroy what they see as the reason they are not doing so well, no mention at all about the SNP Scottish government they have had for the last 7 years.

There are a few on here with similar traits.
 
Foxholer said:
That particular 'reporter' is an embarrassment to the journalistic profession (imo of course!)! He's as close to a right wing press secretary as there can be without having an official title! And an advocate of torture - 'where necessary'!
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Whilst I would tend to agree with your overall appraisal of the writer if you read the article there is much in it that I and many others would agree with. Scotland is likely to lean to the left as such a high proportion of the workforce are employed by the State and are, therefore, more likely to support political parties that believe in higher Government spending.

Also there is the continuing delusion of Scotland building an economy largely dependent upon oil.

No, I may not like the messenger but that does not mean I will dismiss his arguments.
 
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