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Itv leaders debate.

The three people involved have already stated they are untrue.

And how does that affect the question I asked you? I don't see where my question disputed that. I asked a direct question that requires a simple yes or no answer. You can then go on to give a reason for your answer if you so desire.
 
If you want to be obtuse then let me rephrase for you. Here is a make believe situation for you to consider......

On Tuesday next week the

minor Whitehall officer

or

senior British civil servant

depending on who you believe is making the allegation releases an audio recording of the meeting (which is verified as genuine) and it turns out that Nicola Sturgeon did say what she has been reported of saying and has lied about it. IF that happened do you think she should have to resign?
 
The three people involved have already stated they are untrue.

As I recall though, one of them was up to her eyes in it when Holyrood MSPs (and the Scottish public) were led to believe that the snp had taken legal advice; resulting in assurances that EU membership would be unaffected post yes vote in the referendum.

This, as anyone who follows politics in Scotland knows, was a blatant, outright lie. The only 'legal' goings on were the snp spending public money on lawyers in an attempt to prevent that truth from seeing the light of day!

So, I'd contend that her word is hardly her bond. <<<< that's being polite btw.
 
If you want to be obtuse then let me rephrase for you. Here is a make believe situation for you to consider......

On Tuesday next week the



or



depending on who you believe is making the allegation releases an audio recording of the meeting (which is verified as genuine) and it turns out that Nicola Sturgeon did say what she has been reported of saying and has lied about it. IF that happened do you think she should have to resign?

So you are now saying that it was a Senior Civil Servant who leaked the memo.
All those in denial and desperately focused on Sturgeon seem to be to be forgetting two main points.


a} A memo [or altered memo] from the 'Senior' civil servant was leaked to a Tory supporting newspaper in the middle of a general election.......by whom?
That act alone undermines the UK's basic rights of freedom and is more akin to a banana republic
Are you happy with such an act of what is basically treachery

b] The Foreign Office claim no such memo exists.

I would be obliged with answers this time please.
 
So I'm currently at the In-Laws on the Wirral.
Can someone explain why we were subjected to a partly political broadcast by the SNP the other night.?
Do they have candidates standing in England.?
If not why are they on National TV.? Same would go for the Welsh and Irish parties.
Shouldn't it have just been shown on Scottish TV..?
 
So I'm currently at the In-Laws on the Wirral.
Can someone explain why we were subjected to a partly political broadcast by the SNP the other night.?
Do they have candidates standing in England.?
If not why are they on National TV.? Same would go for the Welsh and Irish parties.
Shouldn't it have just been shown on Scottish TV..?


I'd rather it wasn't.

As far as I can make out their latest tactic is to love bomb (sure I've came across that phrase before) the UK (England in particular) with the message that they want to work together (who with might be debatable now, given the alleged admiration for Mr Cameron) and will be a force for good in the UK.

Not sure if I'm confused, angry or just gobsmacked tbh.
 
So you are now saying that it was a Senior Civil Servant who leaked the memo.
All those in denial and desperately focused on Sturgeon seem to be to be forgetting two main points.


a} A memo [or altered memo] from the 'Senior' civil servant was leaked to a Tory supporting newspaper in the middle of a general election.......by whom?
That act alone undermines the UK's basic rights of freedom and is more akin to a banana republic
Are you happy with such an act of what is basically treachery

b] The Foreign Office claim no such memo exists.

I would be obliged with answers this time please.

What's your question ?
 
Do you have an alternative reason why support for UKIP has increased in the polls by such a large percentage since 2010?

As the poll didn't ask why, then I couldn't do anything but speculate. To state opinion as fact - as you have done - is either simply invalid, an act of faith or plain B/S. It would be fine if you added 'I believe' or even 'I'm certain', but that's not what you did!

It's not for me to prove otherwise, it's for you - stating an opinion as fact - to prove your assertion, or admit it's only your opinion or is b/s! :rolleyes:
 
So you are now saying that it was a Senior Civil Servant who leaked the memo.
All those in denial and desperately focused on Sturgeon seem to be to be forgetting two main points.


a} A memo [or altered memo] from the 'Senior' civil servant was leaked to a Tory supporting newspaper in the middle of a general election.......by whom?
That act alone undermines the UK's basic rights of freedom and is more akin to a banana republic
Are you happy with such an act of what is basically treachery

b] The Foreign Office claim no such memo exists.

I would be obliged with answers this time please.

No, I am not now saying (neither is anyone else) it was a senior civil servant,that particular quote was from the linked article and was known to those who actually read it.

Do keep up.

I believe you've had answers from more than one poster, they're all there in previous posts. You only have to look.

Now, if you could work your way through the many questions and points raised for your attention, adress them and provide simple, clear, concise answers; quite a few would (I'm sure) also be obliged. :thup:
 
As the poll didn't ask why, then I couldn't do anything but speculate. To state opinion as fact - as you have done - is either simply invalid, an act of faith or plain B/S. It would be fine if you added 'I believe' or even 'I'm certain', but that's not what you did!

It's not for me to prove otherwise, it's for you - stating an opinion as fact - to prove your assertion, or admit it's only your opinion or is b/s! :rolleyes:

Well the FACT that ukip won 2 by- elections in the last few months and the fact that in local elections there are now record numbers of ukip councillors would indicate that ukip have increased their popularity
You can't deny that surely
 
Well the FACT that ukip won 2 by- elections in the last few months and the fact that in local elections there are now record numbers of ukip councillors would indicate that ukip have increased their popularity
You can't deny that surely

Absolutely not!

It's the presentation of an opinion of why that has happened as fact, with no evidence, that's objectionable!

Did you actually read - and absorb - what I posted? :confused:
 
Well the FACT that ukip won 2 by- elections in the last few months and the fact that in local elections there are now record numbers of ukip councillors would indicate that ukip have increased their popularity
You can't deny that surely
The By Elections could easily be a false dawn with both winners being the MP of that area for a good period before they deflected

When they win a seat from scratch then it's possibly a bit more of a sign towards a shift of momentum
 
The By Elections could easily be a false dawn with both winners being the MP of that area for a good period before they deflected

When they win a seat from scratch then it's possibly a bit more of a sign towards a shift of momentum

Indeed! I forgot to mention that in my earlier post.
 
Absolutely not!

It's the presentation of an opinion of why that has happened as fact, with no evidence, that's objectionable!

Did you actually read - and absorb - what I posted? :confused:

You really want me to filter through 293 posts to find out what I already know, that most of this thread is based on peoples opinions,(rightly or wrongly) facts are few, Spin is in overdrive and smears abound. Most people have already decided who to vote for and in reality the leaders debates wont change many voters minds. and if we are lucky only 60% of people will bother to vote anyway.

Where has the "bring a Bottle" Party gone :)

Sorry, still a month to go and im cheesed of with the election already
 
You really want me to filter through 293 posts to find out what I already know, that most of this thread is based on peoples opinions,(rightly or wrongly) facts are few, Spin is in overdrive and smears abound. Most people have already decided who to vote for and in reality the leaders debates wont change many voters minds. and if we are lucky only 60% of people will bother to vote anyway.

Where has the "bring a Bottle" Party gone :)


Sorry, still a month to go and im cheesed of with the election already


I can't believe anyone would vote for them, surely the 'spin the bottle' party is the way to go?
 
So you are now saying that it was a Senior Civil Servant who leaked the memo.
All those in denial and desperately focused on Sturgeon seem to be to be forgetting two main points.


a} A memo [or altered memo] from the 'Senior' civil servant was leaked to a Tory supporting newspaper in the middle of a general election.......by whom?
That act alone undermines the UK's basic rights of freedom and is more akin to a banana republic
Are you happy with such an act of what is basically treachery

b] The Foreign Office claim no such memo exists.

I would be obliged with answers this time please.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
So you are now saying that it was a Senior Civil Servant who leaked the memo.
All those in denial and desperately focused on Sturgeon seem to be to be forgetting two main points.


a} A memo [or altered memo] from the 'Senior' civil servant was leaked to a Tory supporting newspaper in the middle of a general election.......by whom?
That act alone undermines the UK's basic rights of freedom and is more akin to a banana republic
Are you happy with such an act of what is basically treachery

b] The Foreign Office claim no such memo exists.

I would be obliged with answers this time please.

Well as the only question you are asking is who leaked the memo then the answer is simple. I have no idea.

I hope you feel obliged now. How about answering the question about Sturgeon that I've asked you twice? A simple yes/NO answer would do.
 
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