Itv leaders debate.

[Deleted member 15344]

I too want a Tory govt with a large SNP bloc. Anything to expedite our leaving the uk is ok by me.I also despise all of Scottish labour, Jim murphy in particular, so seeing him in a bad place would make me happy.

I think sturgeon said it personally

Didn't your country just vote to stay in the UK ?

You are not leaving the UK - SNP having more MP's won't change that fact

 

[Old Skier]

I too want a Tory govt with a large SNP bloc. Anything to expedite our leaving the uk is ok by me.

You missed the boat on that one or are you one of those that insists that everyone keeps voting until you get what you want. Not a fan of the democratic principles then.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Keep the Tories in #10 and I'd guess there will be another vote within 10 years.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Keep the Tories in #10 and I'd guess there will be another vote within 10 years.

There is no need for another vote - your country gave their decision

 

[Adi2Dassler]

There is no need for another vote - your country gave their decision

In 79 too.. We should already be independent

 

[Deleted member 15344]

In 79 too.. We should already be independent

Should ? Why should you be ?

Scotland don't want to be independent - maybe it's time to realise that

 

[c1973]

Didn't your country just vote to stay in the UK ?

You are not leaving the UK - SNP having more MP's won't change that fact

Yep. A 'once in a lifetime chance' I believe the snp leader said it was.

But I think all that's in the past now. Time to move on............together.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Should ? Why should you be ?

Scotland don't want to be independent - maybe it's time to realise that

Some do. Maybe next time enough will

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Should ? Why should you be ?

Scotland don't want to be independent - maybe it's time to realise that

You are an idiot, time you realised that. Educate yourself on the 79 referendum

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You are an idiot, time you realised that. Educate yourself on the 79 referendum

Please don't throw insults at people on here.

What happened in 1979 is irrelevant

Didn't get enough of a turnout to make any vote valid - deal with it

Last year your country voted to stay part of the UK - deal with it

Time for you and any others to wake up to the fact that your country voted in massive numbers and the result was NO to leaving the UK - wake up and deal with the FACT that Scotland is and for the long forseable future part of the UK

Your country had your vote and they gave their answer - deal with it

 

[ColchesterFC]

I too want a Tory govt with a large SNP bloc. Anything to expedite our leaving the uk is ok by me.I also despise all of Scottish labour, Jim murphy in particular, so seeing him in a bad place would make me happy.

I think sturgeon said it personally

I thought that you wanted to remain part of the UK so that those of us south of the border could keep sending you money to pay for your free prescriptions and Uni education.

 

[SocketRocket]

You are an idiot, time you realised that. Educate yourself on the 79 referendum

If he was an Idiot he wouldn't be able to realise it or Educate himself. Whats your excuse? Oh yes! you're so good at winding us all up

You really are so Money Supermarket!

 

[c1973]

LP, I wouldn't bite mate.

What your seeing is a throwback to 80s and 90s snp politics as I recall, snidey comments and confrontational, designed to get a reaction.

 

[Hobbit]

Please don't throw insults at people on here.

What happened in 1979 is irrelevant

Didn't get enough of a turnout to make any vote valid - deal with it

Last year your country voted to stay part of the UK - deal with it

Time for you and any others to wake up to the fact that your country voted in massive numbers and the result was NO to leaving the UK - wake up and deal with the FACT that Scotland is and for the long forseable future part of the UK

Your country had your vote and they gave their answer - deal with it

You've won this one Phil. Anyone who blatantly resorts to insults has already lost the argument. He's just trying to push your buttons - best just laugh at him, and dodge the flying teddy.

Sour grapes or what!

 

[the smiling assassin]

Its time the SNP changed their party name and accept there ought not be another referendum for at least another 35 years and focus fully on with doing what they're meant to do. Too much of a stigma attached to the current name to appeal to those who see them as a single policy party, rightly or wrongly. If they changed it then they'd really be a serious force, labour et al would be properly screwed up here.

 

[c1973]

Its time the SNP changed their party name and accept there ought not be another referendum for at least another 35 years. Too much of a stigma attached to the current name to appeal to those who see them as a single policy party, rightly or wrongly. If they changed it then they'd really be a serious force, labour et al would be properly screwed up here.

It certainly seems like they are stealing the left of centre vote up here, which is very surprising for a party that has overseen more NHS contracts going to the private sector and (I believe my figures are correct here but can't be arsed double checking) a fourfold increase in NHS private outpatient numbers.

Manage the targets instead of targeting the management seems to be their thinking.

Again, I stress that figure is from memory and may be slightly out.

Also managing to oversee the exponential growth of food banks in a 'fairer society' (their words btw) in their SEVEN year tenure.


And let's not mention the duplicitous manner in which they calculate their fiscal projections.

 

[CMAC]

It certainly seems like they are stealing the left of centre vote up here, which is very surprising for a party that has overseen more NHS contracts going to the private sector and (I believe my figures are correct here but can't be arsed double checking) a fourfold increase in NHS private outpatient numbers.

Manage the targets instead of targeting the management seems to be their thinking.

Again, I stress that figure is from memory and may be slightly out.

Also managing to oversee the exponential growth of food banks in a 'fairer society' (their words btw) in their SEVEN year tenure.


And let's not mention the duplicitous manner in which they calculate their fiscal projections.

No, that's all the fault of Westminster, Salmond and Sturgeon told the country that...repeatedly. If only the SNP were Governing Scotland for the last 7 years they could have done something about food banks......oh wait!

 

[Foxholer]

The Gay Marriage issue is a bit of a red herring. I suggested a whole raft of issues that had affected many Tory's and also Labour supporters. I suggested that due to these issues many had become disenfranchised and were now supporting UKIP, suggesting that this was a major influence on their increased ratings in the polls.

Indeed. However, I believe it was you who brought it up! So, having admitted it as a 'red herring' can I suggest you 'officially retract' it? And where did/do you get the evidence that 'many have become disenfranchised' and are now supporting UKIP. I haven't seen any such evidence, but am prepared to be convinced by independent evidence - such as polls. Without such evidence, your statements would simply be political piffle, something I'd not associate with your normal (if, imo, rather selective) fact based approach.

As the SNP have no interest in the democratic principles I'm not sure why she was invited to take part in the debate.

H'mm! I don't believe that's the case at all! If you are referring to continuing to push their particular point of view (an independent Scotland), I believe that applies to every political party that 'suffers a set-back'. If it's the ability to have influence that outweighs their actual voter mandate, a) that's not their problem; b) they are taking advantage of that rather well and c) they are actually keen to change the system that allows them to have such an influence!

So don't abuse them for doing exactly they have consistently advocated!

 

[ColchesterFC]

No link then.


OK lets all calm down a bit and base this on Phil's courtroom.

We have either The Foreign Office, Nicola Sturgeon, The UK French Ambassador and the Edinburgh French Consul all telling the truth.

or

Some minor Whitehall officer telling the truth.

Who would you bet your house on?

Straight question for you DfT.........

IF it turns out that these comments are proved to have been said and Nicola Sturgeon has lied do you think she should have to resign?

 

[SocketRocket]

Indeed. However, I believe it was you who brought it up! So, having admitted it as a 'red herring' can I suggest you 'officially retract' it? And where did/do you get the evidence that 'many have become disenfranchised' and are now supporting UKIP. I haven't seen any such evidence, but am prepared to be convinced by independent evidence - such as polls. Without such evidence, your statements would simply be political piffle, something I'd not associate with your normal (if, imo, rather selective) fact based approach.



H'mm! I don't believe that's the case at all! If you are referring to continuing to push their particular point of view (an independent Scotland), I believe that applies to every political party that 'suffers a set-back'. If it's the ability to have influence that outweighs their actual voter mandate, a) that's not their problem; b) they are taking advantage of that rather well and c) they are actually keen to change the system that allows them to have such an influence!

So don't abuse them for doing exactly they have consistently advocated!

Do you have an alternative reason why support for UKIP has increased in the polls by such a large percentage since 2010?