Itv leaders debate.

[chrisd]

To be fair to Farage he doesn't need to have a broad range of thought out and costed policies. He is not going to get more than a few MP's and therefore how he would decide on nuclear weapons or corporation tax isn't really important. He is appealing to the electorate on a couple of issues and getting that message across well according to his ratings.

 

[SaintHacker]

The odious Farage did his usual dog whistle routine, with plenty of bigotry to go round.

Really?

 

[c1973]

Did the Greens explain how they were going to pay for everything?

 

[Blue in Munich]

I didn't say I was in favour of the Tory position - just wanted to know what the UKIP position on defence is.

I didn't suggest you did, but given your obvious dislike for him I just thought I'd point out that he's not currently dismantling the Armed Forces, so probably can't be any worse than the current incumbent.

 

[6inchcup]

The odious Farage did his usual dog whistle routine, with plenty of bigotry to go round. He talked a lot of rubbish about immigration, blaming all kinds of stuff on immigrants, It is a wonder he didn't repeat his claim that motorway congestion was due to them.

His point on health tourism is a load of rubbish. Health tourism is a tiny issue and nowhere near the £2bn he claims. His point about HIV was just pandering to the bigoted would be UKIP voters who wrongly associate HIV with gay men and drug abusers. Dog whistle stuff par excellence. A disgraceful and disgusting politician.

Sturgeon did very well, both in presentational and content terms.

regarding health tourist this country IS owed near to a billion pounds from countries that dont have reciprocal agreements with us same as you going to SPAIN getting injured and using your health card (only for state health services) they bill our country who then pay,thousand of people come hear for a HOLIDAY only to go to nearest hospital for expensive treatment they cant afford at home,same as pregnant girls from IRELAND coming over to have abortions,this country carries the cost.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I didn't suggest you did, but given your obvious dislike for him I just thought I'd point out that he's not currently dismantling the Armed Forces, so probably can't be any worse than the current incumbent.

Unless he wants further cuts

I genuinely don't know what UKIP policies are on defence -

 

[c1973]

regarding health tourist this country IS owed near to a billion pounds from countries that dont have reciprocal agreements with us same as you going to SPAIN getting injured and using your health card (only for state health services) they bill our country who then pay,thousand of people come hear for a HOLIDAY only to go to nearest hospital for expensive treatment they cant afford at home,same as pregnant girls from IRELAND coming over to have abortions,this country carries the cost.

Does that still happen?
I thought Ireland had moved into the present century.

 

[the smiling assassin]

I genuinely don't know what UKIP policies are on defence -

To just attack?

 

[chrisd]

I genuinely don't know what UKIP policies are on defence -

As I posted earlier,he doesn't need a policy on defence given that he won't be putting a defence policy into action.

 

[SocketRocket]

Unless he wants further cuts

I genuinely don't know what UKIP policies are on defence -

How hard is it to find out

You seem to be a leading authority on all their other views!

 

[Ethan]

regarding health tourist this country IS owed near to a billion pounds from countries that dont have reciprocal agreements with us same as you going to SPAIN getting injured and using your health card (only for state health services) they bill our country who then pay,thousand of people come hear for a HOLIDAY only to go to nearest hospital for expensive treatment they cant afford at home,same as pregnant girls from IRELAND coming over to have abortions,this country carries the cost.

Rubbish.

Using capitals (in the wrong places, but not where they are needed) does not make a rant any more coherent, although a few full stops would help.

Here, have these ..........

Farage is an unpleasant bigot. Anyone who votes for him is probably one too.

 

[SocketRocket]

Rubbish.

Using capitals (in the wrong places, but not where they are needed) does not make a rant any more coherent, although a few full stops would help.

Here, have these ..........

Farage is an unpleasant bigot. Anyone who votes for him is probably one too.

Takes one to know one! And you do hold yourself out as a leading authority on the subject.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

How hard is it to find out

Well their manifesto is pretty thin so I thought as you appear to have a deep knowledge of UKIP and mentioned both defence and gay marriage you can answer how their policies cover people's view on those two particular subject ?

So can you answer ?

 

[c1973]

http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people

UKIP manifesto ^^^^^

 

[c1973]

Rubbish.

Using capitals (in the wrong places, but not where they are needed) does not make a rant any more coherent, although a few full stops would help.

Here, have these ..........

Farage is an unpleasant bigot. Anyone who votes for him is probably one too.

Ludicrous statement.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Rubbish.

Using capitals (in the wrong places, but not where they are needed) does not make a rant any more coherent, although a few full stops would help.

Here, have these ..........

Farage is an unpleasant bigot. Anyone who votes for him is probably one too.

Sorry but that's a poor statement to make

 

[CMAC]

The odious Farage did his usual dog whistle routine, with plenty of bigotry to go round. He talked a lot of rubbish about immigration, blaming all kinds of stuff on immigrants, It is a wonder he didn't repeat his claim that motorway congestion was due to them.

His point on health tourism is a load of rubbish. Health tourism is a tiny issue and nowhere near the £2bn he claims. His point about HIV was just pandering to the bigoted would be UKIP voters who wrongly associate HIV with gay men and drug abusers. Dog whistle stuff par excellence. A disgraceful and disgusting politician.

Sturgeon did very well, both in presentational and content terms.

you were clearly watching a different debate to the rest of us. There is only one bigot coming across here.


For the avoidance of doubt I have no time for UKIP but I do have time for fair reporting.

 

[SocketRocket]

Well their manifesto is pretty thin so I thought as you appear to have a deep knowledge of UKIP and mentioned both defence and gay marriage you can answer how their policies cover people's view on those two particular subject ?

So can you answer ?

My point (that went over your head) was that a great number of people that previously voted Labour and Conservative now feel their views unrepresented so will now vote UKIP. Due to the FPTP system UKIP will probably get at least 15% of the vote but not many MPs. It is wrong to suggest these voters are stupid.

I'm still waiting for you to prove those comments you made about Farage and as already suggested just look at their website to see their policies. You do understand they dont expect to form a Government on their own. Dont you?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

My point (that went over your head) was that a great number of people that previously voted Labour and Conservative now feel their views unrepresented so will now vote UKIP. Due to the FPTP system UKIP will probably get at least 15% of the vote but not many MPs. It is wrong to suggest these voters are stupid.

I'm still waiting for you to prove those comments you made about Farage and as already suggested just look at their website to see their policies. You do understand they dont expect to form a Government on their own. Dont you?

You specifically mentioned gay marriage and defence hence why I asked the question - you appear to now want to dodge those two points ? Looked at the web link posted and nothing on defence and gay marriage - so can you please enlighten us to these views/policies

I haven't suggested any voter is stupid

The comments I made about Farage were from the program tonight - as I stated earlier .

A greater number may not vote at all because whilst they feel Labour or Tory don't represent their views - that is also the same with UKIP

 

[Odvan]

Impressed with Sturgeon also and the Green Party leader

Really? You were honestly impressed by her? Jesus, Phil. She was hopeless.