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Itv leaders debate.

For those that have not seen the programee.

Nigel Farage also said he would stop HS2 saving Billions. He said he would pull out of Europe saving 10 billion. He said he would put a stop to NHS tourism saving 2 Billion a year.
When a question was asked from the audience to the whole stage "how will you control immigration" he was the only one who said under the present rules you cannot. no one disagreed. He actually said that immigration should be based upon the Australian system. He is not against immigration just the control of who actually comes here.
he also said that if you come to this country from anywhere in the world and are diagnosed with HIV you can claim up to 25k a year in treatment and said it was wrong. think it was the bird from Scotland who said he should be ashamed. For What ?
Said he would abolish Hospital car parking fees.
Said That kids that went to Uni that were not clever enough have come out with no qualifications and big debt should of been trained in other occupations and not allowed into Uni.
Said that a new house has to be Built every seven minutes to accommodate immigration, yet our own kids cannot afford a house.
Said European countries have failing economies and we should have closer links with commonwealth countries.
Said as a country we should have own laws and not be ruled by Europe.

So no he did not just talk about immigration being the country's only problem and the UKIPS only policy.

Just thought I would put them bits in coz one or two posters on here were in the toilet or making a brew when Farage was talking.
 
No she didn't she's just after splitting away from the union still

Aye, and every vote they receive (regardless of whether the voter would vote against the union) only serves to encourage them.

Being able to speak well is a useful tool when blaming everyone else and glossing over your own parties failures at governance (of which there are plenty) though.
 
No she didn't she's just after splitting away from the union still

The minor parties did come across eloquently and Sturgeon was arguably the best leader there tonight which will do the SNP vote no harm. Irrespective of policies, spin and doctrine it's inevitably going to be a hung parliament and who gets cosy with who. Either way it's perhaps not what the UK needs to keep what the figures are showing to be, a positive economic growth (strongest in Europe)
 
For those that have not seen the programee.

Nigel Farage also said he would stop HS2 saving Billions. He said he would pull out of Europe saving 10 billion. He said he would put a stop to NHS tourism saving 2 Billion a year.
When a question was asked from the audience to the whole stage "how will you control immigration" he was the only one who said under the present rules you cannot. no one disagreed. He actually said that immigration should be based upon the Australian system. He is not against immigration just the control of who actually comes here.
he also said that if you come to this country from anywhere in the world and are diagnosed with HIV you can claim up to 25k a year in treatment and said it was wrong. think it was the bird from Scotland who said he should be ashamed. For What ?
Said he would abolish Hospital car parking fees.
Said That kids that went to Uni that were not clever enough have come out with no qualifications and big debt should of been trained in other occupations and not allowed into Uni.
Said that a new house has to be Built every seven minutes to accommodate immigration, yet our own kids cannot afford a house.
Said European countries have failing economies and we should have closer links with commonwealth countries.
Said as a country we should have own laws and not be ruled by Europe.

So no he did not just talk about immigration being the country's only problem and the UKIPS only policy.

Just thought I would put them bits in coz one or two posters on here were in the toilet or making a brew when Farage was talking.

A very decent summary.
 
For those that have not seen the programee.

Nigel Farage also said he would stop HS2 saving Billions. He said he would pull out of Europe saving 10 billion. He said he would put a stop to NHS tourism saving 2 Billion a year.
When a question was asked from the audience to the whole stage "how will you control immigration" he was the only one who said under the present rules you cannot. no one disagreed. He actually said that immigration should be based upon the Australian system. He is not against immigration just the control of who actually comes here.
he also said that if you come to this country from anywhere in the world and are diagnosed with HIV you can claim up to 25k a year in treatment and said it was wrong. think it was the bird from Scotland who said he should be ashamed. For What ?
Said he would abolish Hospital car parking fees.
Said That kids that went to Uni that were not clever enough have come out with no qualifications and big debt should of been trained in other occupations and not allowed into Uni.
Said that a new house has to be Built every seven minutes to accommodate immigration, yet our own kids cannot afford a house.
Said European countries have failing economies and we should have closer links with commonwealth countries.
Said as a country we should have own laws and not be ruled by Europe.

So no he did not just talk about immigration being the country's only problem and the UKIPS only policy.

Just thought I would put them bits in coz one or two posters on here were in the toilet or making a brew when Farage was talking.

Well put Mr Tash. Some posters here must have either been snoozing or decided not to listen to a word Nigel Farage said.
 
For those that have not seen the programee.

Nigel Farage also said he would stop HS2 saving Billions. He said he would pull out of Europe saving 10 billion. He said he would put a stop to NHS tourism saving 2 Billion a year.
When a question was asked from the audience to the whole stage "how will you control immigration" he was the only one who said under the present rules you cannot. no one disagreed. He actually said that immigration should be based upon the Australian system. He is not against immigration just the control of who actually comes here.
he also said that if you come to this country from anywhere in the world and are diagnosed with HIV you can claim up to 25k a year in treatment and said it was wrong. think it was the bird from Scotland who said he should be ashamed. For What ?
Said he would abolish Hospital car parking fees.
Said That kids that went to Uni that were not clever enough have come out with no qualifications and big debt should of been trained in other occupations and not allowed into Uni.
Said that a new house has to be Built every seven minutes to accommodate immigration, yet our own kids cannot afford a house.
Said European countries have failing economies and we should have closer links with commonwealth countries.
Said as a country we should have own laws and not be ruled by Europe.

So no he did not just talk about immigration being the country's only problem and the UKIPS only policy.

Just thought I would put them bits in coz one or two posters on here were in the toilet or making a brew when Farage was talking.

He also couldn't answer how much business and money the country would lose by breaking ties with Europe - also couldn't give how he comes about the figures he quotes

Also he couldn't understand the issues that will happen if we as a country cut ourselves off

He also ignored the fact we do have our own laws

Also couldn't answer when asked to prove new house every 7 mins is just to house immigrants

Also was interested to know with him abolishing a lot of stuff and cutting ourselves from Europe where all the lost revenue comes from

The others all agreed that rules for claming benefits for arrivals needs to change - there is no reason why people can't come into the country if they can contribute to the country and don't just take - he couldn't see the clear difference between controlling the benefits immigrants get to controlling immigration

But it all got turned to immigration for him and the way he speaks to people won't win him any friends.

He had a chance to show he is serious and with substance - imo he didn't take it
 
The minor parties did come across eloquently and Sturgeon was arguably the best leader there tonight which will do the SNP vote no harm. Irrespective of policies, spin and doctrine it's inevitably going to be a hung parliament and who gets cosy with who. Either way it's perhaps not what the UK needs to keep what the figures are showing to be, a positive economic growth (strongest in Europe)

It wont be a hung parliament due to what people like Sturgeon says but by the complete loss of faith by the masses who previously voted labour or Conservative but now only see succour in the likes of UKIP who stand for their views on issues like: immigration, gay marriage, defence and EU membership.
 
It wont be a hung parliament due to what people like Sturgeon says but by the complete loss of faith by the masses who previously voted labour or Conservative but now only see succour in the likes of UKIP who stand for their views on issues like: immigration, gay marriage, defence and EU membership.

Haven't seen UKIP views on gay marriage ? Not heard it discussed - what is their view or the views of the people they want to stand for ?

Also defence ? Can you give a summary on their views of defence
 
what i didnt under stand was why have a Scottish ,Welsh women when we in ENGLAND cant vote for them,the greens had an ozzy who never mentioned how they would pay for anything,the Welsh woman made me laugh demanding the same money as Scotland,big difference in oil revenue and rugby players transfers love,MILLIBAND looked a tosser,CLEGG talked nonsense,NIGEL was like the bloke in the pub everyone takes the mick out of,BIG DAVE won hands down,wont do a deal with the snp or the welsh,and give us a vote on the EU winner for me.
 
He also couldn't answer how much business and money the country would lose by breaking ties with Europe - also couldn't give how he comes about the figures he quotes

Also he couldn't understand the issues that will happen if we as a country cut ourselves off

He also ignored the fact we do have our own laws

Also couldn't answer when asked to prove new house every 7 mins is just to house immigrants

Also was interested to know with him abolishing a lot of stuff and cutting ourselves from Europe where all the lost revenue comes from

The others all agreed that rules for claming benefits for arrivals needs to change - there is no reason why people can't come into the country if they can contribute to the country and don't just take - he couldn't see the clear difference between controlling the benefits immigrants get to controlling immigration

But it all got turned to immigration for him and the way he speaks to people won't win him any friends.

He had a chance to show he is serious and with substance - imo he didn't take it

Where exactly did he fail to answer those questions? I really want your proof Phil as it seems to me you just made that lot up!
 
He also couldn't answer how much business and money the country would lose by breaking ties with Europe - also couldn't give how he comes about the figures he quotes

Also he couldn't understand the issues that will happen if we as a country cut ourselves off

He also ignored the fact we do have our own laws

Also couldn't answer when asked to prove new house every 7 mins is just to house immigrants

Also was interested to know with him abolishing a lot of stuff and cutting ourselves from Europe where all the lost revenue comes from

The others all agreed that rules for claming benefits for arrivals needs to change - there is no reason why people can't come into the country if they can contribute to the country and don't just take - he couldn't see the clear difference between controlling the benefits immigrants get to controlling immigration

But it all got turned to immigration for him and the way he speaks to people won't win him any friends.

He had a chance to show he is serious and with substance - imo he didn't take it

He was also the only one that I remember that wanted an Australian type system of points; if the immigrant benefits the country they get in, if they don't then they won't. By controlling immigration in that manner you also control the benefits. So maybe he knows more about the difference than you credit him for.
 
The odious Farage did his usual dog whistle routine, with plenty of bigotry to go round. He talked a lot of rubbish about immigration, blaming all kinds of stuff on immigrants, It is a wonder he didn't repeat his claim that motorway congestion was due to them.

His point on health tourism is a load of rubbish. Health tourism is a tiny issue and nowhere near the £2bn he claims. His point about HIV was just pandering to the bigoted would be UKIP voters who wrongly associate HIV with gay men and drug abusers. Dog whistle stuff par excellence. A disgraceful and disgusting politician.

Sturgeon did very well, both in presentational and content terms.
 
Funny. I'm watching a wee 5 minute clip of this and all I'm seeing is Lego heid talking all over the top of Milliband and then Cameron when they were trying to answer a question.

Might not be an accurate reflection of the night, I'll maybe watch tomorrow to see for myself, but it sounds like a typical debating style from her.
 
Where exactly did he fail to answer those questions? I really want your proof Phil as it seems to me you just made that lot up!

Within the program

Asked by Millband about the savings for leaving the EU and Clegg mentioned hasn't thought of the implications of leaving EU when all three were shouting over each other. Cameron said the housing isn't just to keep up with immigration - Farage just scoffed at him
 
It wont be a hung parliament due to what people like Sturgeon says but by the complete loss of faith by the masses who previously voted labour or Conservative but now only see succour in the likes of UKIP who stand for their views on issues like: immigration, gay marriage, defence and EU membership.

Whatever the reason behind the how, I cannot see any party getting an overall majority. If Labour get the most seats who do they align with, especially outside England. If the Conservatives get in will they align with the Lib Dems again? Where do UKIP fall into this? It'll be messy regardless
 
He was also the only one that I remember that wanted an Australian type system of points; if the immigrant benefits the country they get in, if they don't then they won't. By controlling immigration in that manner you also control the benefits. So maybe he knows more about the difference than you credit him for.

Yes he mentioned the Australian System but for us to move to that system would involve is leaving the EU - the others wanted to bring in measures to stop them claiming benefits which can be brought in without leaving the EU
 
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