Itv leaders debate.

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I have a question for David Cameron. David - you, your party and supporters and your supporting press tell us that Nicola Sturgeon is the most dangerous woman in Britain; that the SNP will destroy the union of the UK; that the SNP will put the future defence of the UK at risk; that the SNP will undermine all the good work that the coalition has done over the last five years - in fact you tell us that the Nicola Sturgeon and SNP are all round vile and dastardly.

So David - it would seem from all this talk that you and your acolytes would want Labour to wipe the SNP off the face of the Scottish electoral map in the GE.

But David is it your real wish that the SNP 'wipe the floor' with Labour in the GE. A Yes or No would be nice - because I'm confused. Pray tell!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

...and oh yes. All prospective UKIP voters should perhaps have a listen to the wit and wisdom of Mr David Coburn Scottish UKIP MEP - plenty of his nice and reasoned arguments out there - but a good starting point was the BBC Scotland 'Leaders' Debate on Wednesday. And then you can tell us all how UKIP are 'right' for the UK.

Oh yes - and then there are the recent musings of my own local UKIP MEP Diane James such as on Putin - and she's also on my local (Waverley) Council - and what a bunch that lot are.

Top stuff from senior UKIP representatives.

 

[c1973]

...and oh yes. All prospective UKIP voters should perhaps have a listen to the wit and wisdom of Mr David Coburn Scottish UKIP MEP - plenty of his nice and reasoned arguments out there - but a good starting point was the BBC Scotland 'Leaders' Debate on Wednesday. And then you can tell us all how UKIP are 'right' for the UK.

Oh yes - and then there are the recent musings of my own local UKIP MEP Diane James such as on Putin - and she's also on my local (Waverley) Council - and what a bunch that lot are.

Top stuff from senior UKIP representatives.

Yes, very good. But have you saw any films with their latest rising 'star'. Tbf, I've heard he's not very good, a bit wooden if you like.

 

[SocketRocket]

I have a question for David Cameron. David - you, your party and supporters and your supporting press tell us that Nicola Sturgeon is the most dangerous woman in Britain; that the SNP will destroy the union of the UK; that the SNP will put the future defence of the UK at risk; that the SNP will undermine all the good work that the coalition has done over the last five years - in fact you tell us that the Nicola Sturgeon and SNP are all round vile and dastardly.


So David - it would seem from all this talk that you and your acolytes would want Labour to wipe the SNP off the face of the Scottish electoral map in the GE.

But David is it your real wish that the SNP 'wipe the floor' with Labour in the GE. A Yes or No would be nice - because I'm confused. Pray tell!

Now this may surprise you. David Cameron probably doesn't read Golf Monthly Forum's 'Out of Bounds"

 

[ger147]

Now this may surprise you. David Cameron probably doesn't read Golf Monthly Forum's 'Out of Bounds"

Only seen him in Ask the Experts and the For Sale sections.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20179604

Three years old, but the views of a former Tory defense minister.

 

[c1973]

And the views of FIVE former defence ministers.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...rmer-defence-ministers-and-Forces-chiefs.html

X amount of years old.

 

[Old Skier]

You may have missed Doon's point! The implication - to me - was that Trident is expensive and outdated! Wouldn't know about it being outdated, but that's quite possibly the reason a replacement is being checked out.

I might well have. The nuclear deterant IMHO open is a weapon that the UK could well do without. As we have made it quite clear we would not make a first strike what is the point. The U.S. On the other hand always stated that they were quite prepared to initiate a first strike, which on two occasions sitting in the Fulda Gap made for and interesting experience.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I'm still waiting on an explanation as to how they are going to fund the £7 Billion black hole in their full fiscal autonomy plan. What taxes are going up and/or where are the cuts going to be, or, would they borrow more?

Saying that other parties are returning to 'smears, as they did in the referendum' is no answer.
It's worrying that so many Scots appear to be willing to let this lot loose with the public purse. Genuinely worrying.

I don't quite get Labour making a serious attack on the SNP plans for fiscal autonomy because no matter that the SNP might have it on their wish list, it will stay just right there unless a Westminster government determines to give it to Holyrood, and if they do not there is nothing that the SNP can do about it. In fact in the context of the GE any stated wish or even demand coming from the SNP for fiscal autonomy is just pie-in-the sky. Even were the SNP to win all seats in Scotland with 100% of the vote it just isn't going to happen unless someone else gives it to them. So if the SNP did get it Westminster would only have itself to blame.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Now this may surprise you. David Cameron probably doesn't read Golf Monthly Forum's 'Out of Bounds"

...ah - but just in case he does...

the question remains...maybe someone can suggest what he'd answer because I haven't a clue.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The Telegraphoo:.......must be true then.

 

[c1973]

A signed letter.

I'd err on the side of common sense and go with this being genuine......albeit just as out of date as the link it was in response to.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Must make this true as well then.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...es-turn-to-Gordon-Brown-to-save-campaign.html

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The Telegraphoo:.......must be true then.

Re the article of giving up Trident - the statement in the first paragraph '...position as a leading world power will be at stake' is the one that many would shrug and say 'yes? - so what!'

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Must make this true as well then.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...es-turn-to-Gordon-Brown-to-save-campaign.html

And it beggars my earlier question - do the Tories what Labour wiped out in Scotland as that would mean Labour having a almost nil chance of a majority; or do they want the SNP stamped on by Labour as the SNP are a danger to the UK, defence, economy etc? Despite their fervent anti-SNP and anti Sturgeon/Salmond rhetoric, I think that the Tories actually want the SNP to wipe the floor with Labour in Scotland.

 

[c1973]

Must make this true as well then.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...es-turn-to-Gordon-Brown-to-save-campaign.html

Do you see me claiming it is true anywhere? A genuine letter, yes.
Stating that the letter appears genuine does not mean I'm claiming the contents are truthful. Perhaps you should absorb what you are reading as opposed to running round in circles chasing your tail like a wee yappy dug?

Unlike you, I tend to offer my opinion (an opinion I'll often support with corobboritive information....again, unlike you) and rarely state my opinion as being factual...yet again a trait you appear to be acquainted with.

Have a nice day.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Do you see me claiming it is true anywhere? A genuine letter, yes.
Stating that the letter appears genuine does not mean I'm claiming the contents are truthful. Perhaps you should absorb what you are reading as opposed to running round in circles chasing your tail like a wee yappy dug?

Unlike you, I tend to offer my opinion (an opinion I'll often support with corobboritive information....again, unlike you) and rarely state my opinion as being factual...yet again a trait you appear to be acquainted with.

Have a nice day.

Calm down..... I did not mention you personally.......just a general comment on the political bias of yet another mainstream newspaper.

 

[c1973]

Aye. Ok.

I think it was pretty obvious you were responding to my post.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

And it beggars my earlier question - do the Tories what Labour wiped out in Scotland as that would mean Labour having a almost nil chance of a majority; or do they want the SNP stamped on by Labour as the SNP are a danger to the UK, defence, economy etc? Despite their fervent anti-SNP and anti Sturgeon/Salmond rhetoric, I think that the Tories actually want the SNP to wipe the floor with Labour in Scotland.

I think the Telegraph/Tories are playing a blinder.
They can see the Tories will not get a majority so best outcome is a same again coalition.
I think middle England will boost the Lib Dem vote and pinch some seats off Labour. This is the only way to cut out the SNP.
On the other hand I think the SNP policies [less independence] are quite popular for English voters.
Going to be close.

George Galloway in charge of the UK will not be pretty.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I think the Telegraph/Tories are playing a blinder.
They can see the Tories will not get a majority so best outcome is a same again coalition.
I think middle England will boost the Lib Dem vote and pinch some seats off Labour. This is the only way to cut out the SNP.
On the other hand I think the SNP policies [less independence] are quite popular for English voters.
Going to be close.

George Galloway in charge of the UK will not be pretty.

Was speaking with my brother this morning - he lives in Aberdeen and is a senior guy in a big Civil Engineering Company working in the oil industry. Says all the doom and gloom about the oil price etc and impact on Aberdeen is largely exaggerated.

He's finding it curious that Labour/Tories are keeping on at the SNP as he's seeing support growing for the SNP the more they do.