it's just happend again

[williamalex1]

1st round club champs and 2nd class qualifier today . new member with his new 3 card handicap of 23, comes in with 58 net. not his fault thats the h/c he's been given but there must be someway to get a truer ability of new players, than 12 under the sss.

 

[pbrown7582]

Oh dear is there any restrictions on who marks new members cards?

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

At least he will get cut about 4 shots for that score!

 

[williamalex1]

medals are random draws a mix of any 9 players take any 3 for your game. to get handicap any other member can mark sign the card

 

[bobmac]

At least he will get cut about 4 shots for that score!

He'll be lucky if he's only cut by 4

 

[williamalex1]

At least he will get cut about 4 shots for that score!

maybe one would do but make it a 9mm, maybe a bit severe sorry.

 

[Imurg]

There should be a rule in place taht you have to hace played a certain amount of comps before you can enter a "biggy"...
If not then this sort of thing is going to happen every time..

 

[Kellfire]

There should be a rule in place taht you have to hace played a certain amount of comps before you can enter a "biggy"...
If not then this sort of thing is going to happen every time..

With the information given in this thread how can it be said that the result wasn't a fair reflection of someone who is a genuine a 23 handicap playing an absolute blinder on the day?

 

[Imurg]

1st round club champs and 2nd class qualifier today . new member with his new 3 card handicap of 23, comes in with 58 net. not his fault thats the h/c he's been given but there must be someway to get a truer ability of new players, than 12 under the sss.

With the information given in this thread how can it be said that the result wasn't a fair reflection of someone who is a genuine a 23 handicap playing an absolute blinder on the day?

The word "new" is the giveaway don'tcha think...?

 

[Kellfire]

The word "new" is the giveaway don'tcha think...?

That isn't enough information for you to know the handicap wasn't a fair one. You are assuming other factors.

 

[Imurg]

If he's a "new" member with his "new" 23 handicap then he should have to play a number of ordinary competitions before being allowed to enter the Club Championships - that's a rule in force at many clubs to prevent this exact thing.
If I'd never joined a club before I could join a club, get 3 awful (for me) cards put in and walk away with a 23 handicap - I'd clean up.

Not saying the guy is a bandit but it's fairly common to have to play a few comps to give your handicap a chance to level itself before having a go at the Board comps....

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I agree that there should be a set number of comps for new members to play before entering an honours board event. New member getting 23 and shooting that low smacks of someone with far more ability than the cards handied in would indicate. The cynic in me would wonder if he perhaps didn't try that hard and was happy to get something "a little high". At least a few comps would give a hint of the truer potential and maybe get that figure cut before getting into the big ones

 

[louise_a]

I have been in the new member position recently, started with 34, I tried by best with my cards but didnt get a decent card in, won my first comp and got cut by one, the next comp wasa board one and I entered it but it was cancelled due to the weather. I subsequently dropped 9 after winning the next 2 comps then played in the rearranged board on but did terrible.
If there are no rules in place on who can play in a board comp, then its not the new members fault, providing they played their best when putting in cards.

 

[beggsy]

I bloke I know joined our club from a de vere club down the road he was a 13 handicapper there asked if he could put 3 cards in our club said yes he came in with 18 and has only played in 1 comp since joining yet goes and plays open comps all the time once winning a comp to play final in Spain

 

[rosecott]

With the information given in this thread how can it be said that the result wasn't a fair reflection of someone who is a genuine a 23 handicap playing an absolute blinder on the day?

I bloke I know joined our club from a de vere club down the road he was a 13 handicapper there asked if he could put 3 cards in our club said yes he came in with 18 and has only played in 1 comp since joining yet goes and plays open comps all the time once winning a comp to play final in Spain

Looks like a similar problem here - clubs not carrying out their obligation to take a player's previous history into account when allocating handicaps.

In the second case, the player's handicap should have remained at 13 if there was a gap of 6 months or less in the move from club to club - even if the gap was more than 6 months, his previous handicap should have been taken into account.

In the first case, is it really believable that a player can play 3 rounds justifying a handicap of 23 and in the very next round he returns a score appropriate to a handicap of 11? I think not.

 

[moogie]

In the first case, is it really believable that a player can play 3 rounds justifying a handicap of 23 and in the very next round he returns a score appropriate to a handicap of 11? I think not.

Totally agree, highly Unlikely scenario

 

[SocketRocket]

It's not the issue of him getting cut a few times over the next few comps, it's the fact that he has won unfairly and has deprived genuine players of winning.

I have come across this situation many times and in just about all of them the person with the incorrect handicap knows fair well their handicap is wrong but just wants to steal the glory.

 

[moogie]

I also DONT understand how a 23 Handicapper plays in a Club Championship.........
Ive been a member at 3 local clubs in the last 10 years, and each had a Handicap Limit set at 12, 12, and 9 respectively
Do other clubs in other areas not operate such a policy..........??

And yes, most local courses would require you to have played in 3 Qualifying comps before being able to compete too

 

[RGDave]

In the first case, is it really believable that a player can play 3 rounds justifying a handicap of 23 and in the very next round he returns a score appropriate to a handicap of 11? I think not.

I think not too.

No player with a new h'cap should be allowed to enter a club "major" until he/she has put in 3 additional cards to the 3 h'cap cards.

It's simple. I got hauled in front of the committee for scoring 45 points in my first comp off 19. Never bettered that points score in all my years golfing. It seems rather too coincidental if you ask me, especially under the pressure of the club champs.

Then again, what do I know, maybe I haven't seen it all.

 

[sawtooth]

One of my first comps back in 1995, shot 74 playing of 16. Net 58 and earned me a cut of 3.3

Nothing sinister, I was previously given 16 when I first started at the club and I obviously played a lot better than that.

Its only banditry when someone is intentionally avoiding a cut.