Is this racism?

[bluewolf]

But how do you know that it may be deemed offensive by some if you are not, yourself, offended.

Is there not a risk of being patronising towards those that we think may be offended?

Quite often we don't know if something is offensive. However, if someone takes the time to explain why they find it offensive, and I can understand the reasoning then I'll take it on board. It still won't offend me, but I can appreciate that someone else would be.

 

[Neilds]

On the same (similar) subject, aren't all drag acts guilty of sexism? After all, they are still putting on make up to look like someone else.

This sort of thing is just PC gone mad and people are mixing it up with real racism and almost belittling the problem of real acts of racism. Cultural appropriation, whatever that is , is anothe rthing that is missing the point completely.
In My Opinion.

 

[Deleted member 18121]

I remember watching a comedian (I forget his name) who did a speech on how it's ok to be offended....just dont expect others to change to suit your ideals. I agree with that sentiment whole heatedly.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Quite often we don't know if something is offensive. However, if someone takes the time to explain why they find it offensive, and I can understand the reasoning then I'll take it on board. It still won't offend me, but I can appreciate that someone else would be.

I wholeheartedly agree with that.

However, in this case (and some others) I have yet to hear any relevant party say they find this offensive.

Hence my concern over judgements being made "on behalf" of others.

 

[Deleted member 18121]

rather than start another new thread on a similar subject..... what about this:

https://sports.yahoo.com/ben-stille...-thunder-halloween-costume-row-114644207.html

 

[Khamelion]

Way way to many snowflakes in the world these days, people getting offender by trivial things for no other reason than it's the 'in thing' to do. Political correctness has a lot to answer for.

Racism, sexism, misogynism, pick an ism and there will be those that take it to the extreme to promote their own agenda. Common sense has gone out the window.

So you can't tell a blue joke for fear someone might over hear and by offended and you end up in the crap. You can't speak your mind for fear of upsetting someone, if you have the facts and your words are irrefutably accurate and someone hears and doesn't like what you say, then tough, why should you have to apologize.

So while writing this Adam6177 post got in before me so to add, which goes back to the original post, you can't get dressed up to impersonate an idol or well known person for fear that an organisation may be offended and if you are famous you then have to apologize or face being publicly ostracised.

Going one step further, what about all the people who make a living out of impersonating people for a living, like Rory Bremner, Alistair McGowan and Jon Culshaw, why is it acceptable for them to make a living out of what they do?

 

[User 99]

Just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right.

This place is full of snowflakes.

 

[Deleted member 18121]

Just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right.

I don't think its even a case of being "right", I mean how can it be? It's a matter of opinion.

I thinking now along the lines of.....you're offended? So what. There are plenty of people who aren't.

 

[bluewolf]

I wholeheartedly agree with that.

However, in this case (and some others) I have yet to hear any relevant party say they find this offensive.

Hence my concern over judgements being made "on behalf" of others.

Me neither. I haven't heard anyone say they find it offensive. It's almost as though someone in the media has got hold of it and used it to stir up a controversy.

A bit like the Facebook memes about groups being offended by the wearing of the Poppy. I've yet to hear anyone say that they're offended, yet you get hundreds of posts spouting bile about how these groups should leave the country. What groups?

 

[Deleted member 25172]

I remember watching a comedian (I forget his name) who did a speech on how it's ok to be offended....just dont expect others to change to suit your ideals. I agree with that sentiment whole heatedly.

Could it perhaps be this gem from Jonathan Pie you're referring to?

 

[Deleted member 18121]

Could it perhaps be this gem from Jonathan Pie you're referring to?

That's the one

Absolutely nailed it.

Sorry to those offended by swearing

 

[Deleted member 25172]

That's the one

Absolutely nailed it.

Sorry to those offended by swearing

Perhaps I should've added a "Trigger-warning" to the comment.

 

[Kellfire]

Dundee United player Jamie Robson has been punished for a “blackface” Halloween costume. So maybe it is racist after all...

 

[Orikoru]

Dundee United player Jamie Robson has been punished for a “blackface” Halloween costume. So maybe it is racist after all...

Don't know anything about this particular story, but I would say if you're dressed as a specific character or famous person, you can argue it is not racist because it's a tribute to someone you like or admire. Whereas if your costume is simply to blacken your face then that's racist without question.

 

[williamalex1]

Don't know anything about this particular story, but I would say if you're dressed as a specific character or famous person, you can argue it is not racist because it's a tribute to someone you like or admire. Whereas if your costume is simply to blacken your face then that's racist without question.

So should I be offended the next time someone wears a tartan tammy and red see you Jimmy wig, or when Mel Gibson says you can't take our freedom lol. I don't think so, Some people need to get a sense of humour or just GTF .

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So should I be offended the next time someone wears a tartan tammy and red see you Jimmy wig, or when Mel Gibson says you can't take our freedom lol. I don't think so, Some people need to get a sense of humour or just GTF .

No, but if in the case of Robson who blacked his face to get dressed up as a beach salesman and was therefore implying all beach sellers are black, that’s racially stereotyping black people, so if you get someone with a tartan tammy and a red see you Jimmy wig and pretending to be drunk and slapping women, then yes you should be offended because then they’ll be implying all Scottish men are drunken wife beaters and it’s no different to Robson’s actions, no matter what their intention
There’s a time and place and I’d suggest a professional footballer should be aware of his social responsibilities and there will be photographs taken.

 

[Orikoru]

So should I be offended the next time someone wears a tartan tammy and red see you Jimmy wig, or when Mel Gibson says you can't take our freedom lol. I don't think so, Some people need to get a sense of humour or just GTF .

I can't tell you what to be offended at, just like you can't tell anyone else. If you don't take offence at anything, then that's great for you, I try and be the same. I think 'blackface' as it's known is a different ball park though. I'm not going to tell black people they shouldn't be offended by it.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Dress up as Eddie Murphy, Samuel L Jackson, Will Smith and any other black actor that you admire. Don't put boot polish on your face though. Not tough to understand, most people get this.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

It’s not racism IMO but then you could see why someone could be offended by it - so for that I think it’s a poor choice and a lack of common sense

Exactly. Which is why three guys doing a Diana Ross and the Supremes skit in our club Christmas Show did not 'black up'. They wore tight and sparkly long dresses, donned big black hair wigs and slapped on the red lipstick - miming Stop in the Name of Love - but not blacked up - and they didn't need to be for us to know exactly who they were supposed to be.

Imagine the guys had 'blacked-up' and someone in the audience (majority not club members) had been offended and took a photo/video and posted it online. Now what would that do for the club?

 

[londonlewis]

It's not racism in my book, but I don't set the rules. I don't think she is trying to demean anyone.
Is it offensive? Not to me it isn't.
I think it's a dangerous precedent if we go by someone being offended by it. Who decides what is acceptable and what isn't? There will always be someone who is offended.