Is this giving advice ?

[duncan mackie]

+1 nice examples, especially 3.

As for putting, I would add that this might get more interesting in case of putting.

If one says e.g. "this will turn slightly from the right to the left" and there is another player that will be playing very similar putt just after that, this will be an advice. And the very same sentence in a situation when the other guy has completely different putt would not be an advice.

similar putt before you and I agree - if the player's playing after you then what your ball actually does (and he has the benefit of seeing it do) is more relevant than your opinion as to what you think it should do!

 

[Slab]

You can over read stuff. If you are first on the tee and you pull out a hybrid rather than a driver, you could influence another player. If you carefully read a putt and use your aim point finger thing, you could do the same, etc etc.

The Rules and Decisions are pretty clear. Distance, the existence of a pond, existence of OOB etc etc are factual matters and as such you can answer another player who asks. A fact is something which is demonstrable and provable. Club choice, wind direction, green break, playing strategy and that sort of stuff are advice and you can't. They are opinion.

Its's pretty simple, really.

Do I remember it right that you can do all these things without any penalty on the first tee before either player tee's off?

 

[Colin L]

Yes. Giving or asking for advice is a breach of Rule 8-1 only during a stipulated round. See Decision 8-1/8

http://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Decision-08/#d8-1-8

 

[delc]

Playing yesterday with a couple of chaps (first time I met and played with them)

Both very nice and friendly but one of them was talking to himself, out loud all away round. He didn't look and say anything to me or his friend directly just seem to talk to himself, but of course anyone around him could hear him clearly.

What i mean is, standing on the tee, he would look at his watch (sky caddie) then say to himself, out loud "right 165yrs so thats a 6iron" or the same kind of thing when on the fairway, also on the green he would say things like "greens playing slow today or bit of a right to left here" Got to say his mate never once changed his club due to his comments and seem to ignore his advice on the greens also.

Now the fact he did this didn't bother me at all, but his mate told me he does this all of the time and has done so for the last 10+ yrs.

On Monday they are due to play in a doubles match together so he asked me if I thought they would get pulled up for this, the chap reckons, as he is talking to himself they would be fine, I'm not so sure.

Any thoughts please ?

Giving distances to the green, the flag, or any hazards is not 'advice'. Asking what club another player has used before you take your shot, or telling a player what club to use, or how to swing it, definitely is. However, as the player is only briefing himself in this instance, I would suggest that this would not count as advice. Sounds a bit annoying though!

 

[woody69]

Giving distances to the green, the flag, or any hazards is not 'advice'. Asking what club another player has used before you take your shot, or telling a player what club to use, or how to swing it, definitely is. However, as the player is only briefing himself in this instance, I would suggest that this would not count as advice. Sounds a bit annoying though!

I love how Delc comes into these discussions, completely ignores all other replies and always answers the question as if he is the first one to the thread.

 

[delc]

I love how Delc comes into these discussions, completely ignores all other replies and always answers the question as if he is the first one to the thread.

The OP asked for peoples' thoughts, so I gave mine. Any problems with that?

 

[Baldy Bouncer]

Ding Ding........Round 1:whoo:

Popcorn in the microwave as I type.:thup:

 

[Foxholer]

I love how Delc comes into these discussions, completely ignores all other replies and always answers the question as if he is the first one to the thread.

:rofl:

There's another current example in the 'Zero Friction Gloves' thread!

 

[woody69]

The OP asked for peoples' thoughts, so I gave mine. Any problems with that?

Not at all. Like I said, I love it. You're like an echo sometimes, or someone telling people what they should be doing... about 2 minutes after they've already been told. Makes me smile.

 

[delc]

Not at all. Like I said, I love it. You're like an echo sometimes, or someone telling people what they should be doing... about 2 minutes after they've already been told. Makes me smile.

I have better things to do with my life than checking back through every thread to make sure that nobody else has given a similar answer!

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

I have better things to do with my life than checking back through every thread to make sure that nobody else has given a similar answer!

I disagree. Quicker to look back and not bother to type your answer, and then justify yourself.

 

[North Mimms]

I have better things to do with my life than checking back through every thread to make sure that nobody else has given a similar answer!

If a thread is less than one page long, i usually read what's been written.
But then I Don't have anything better to do with my life!

 

[super hans]

+1 nice examples, especially 3.

As for putting, I would add that this might get more interesting in case of putting.
If one says e.g. "this will turn slightly from the right to the left" and there is another player that will be playing very similar putt just after that, this will be an advice. And the very same sentence in a situation when the other guy has completely different putt would not be an advice.

if your ball is on a severely sloping green, and it fairly obviously slopes right to left, would that be advice to say "this putt will break right to left". Surely that is a matter of fact as you can't alter the laws of physics on a sloping green (although my putts sometimes try to). I would suggest that offering a line or saying it will break 18 inches right to left is advice