Internal OOB.

[Foxholer]

It is something i hate and it would stop me joining a club. Why not stick up a big fence to stop people hitting on that line. Just making it OB doesn't make it safe.
Mike

I'm with you on that one.

Birdied that hole twice out about half a dozen times, once playing it 'normally' (first time I played it) and once going over the OB (and I'm not a big hitter). Been in the OB a couple of times too, once merely a miscued drive down the hill so no danger to anyone.

A club that used to have internal OB, except for tournaments, now has a pond to deter cutting a corner that could lead to danger - but it's still dangerous! Had heard about Murrayshall's 9th and was due to play there a few years ago, but it was washed out from torrential rain the day before. Pro shop guys were great and got us onto Blairgowrie instead - for no upcharge!

 

[Lanark_Golfer]

It's a nice hole John but can be nasty, played 3 of the tee and made par here once holing from off the green?

Should add the OB can be carried with a Sunday best from an average length hitter

Defo Val, I hit driver and wedge, still walked off with a 5 though

 

[Region3]

I like the look of the hole, but not sure about the OOB. As lots of others have said, if it's a H&S concern then put something in the way to block the line.

As far as it being a card wrecker - which I can imagine it can for anyone with a 'fade', would it help to take out the tree(s) that prevent a drive aimed left off the tee?

 

[Iaing]

I think it looks like a very good golf hole.
In this instance I don't mind the internal oob at all. It's there to stop players deliberately hitting dangerous shots. It's hard to legislate for the accidentally dangerous shot.
What I really dislike on some courses is where you've two holes running parallel to each other with only a narrow strip of rough to separate them with a line of stakes between them.

 

[Imurg]

I think it looks like a very good golf hole.
In this instance I don't mind the internal oob at all. It's there to stop players deliberately hitting dangerous shots. It's hard to legislate for the accidentally dangerous shot.

Hang on - a shot, deliberate or otherwise, that goes rocketing through the trees is dangerous. And does anyone deliberately hit a dangerous shot?
If the carry is achievable by a normal hitter then most are going to take it on rendering the OB a waste of time.....
My old club had a couple of internal OB, mainly for the "safety" of others on adjacent holes.
People still took the shot on - so the OB is irrelevent, except to penalise those that don't make it. Those in the firing line are still in the firing line.......

Internal OB is a lazy, cheap cop-out - if the club are serious about wanting to keep players safe they need to stop people being able to take the shot on - not just gently discourage them.

 

[Iaing]

. And does anyone deliberately hit a dangerous shot?
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Don't be naive.
Of course some players will play dangerous shots deliberately if they think it's to their own advantage.
It's not right, but there you go. :angry:

 

[garyinderry]

i have no problems with IOB. in fact, im not crazy about the idea of driveable par 4's either. played one at strabane the other day and was 20 feet from the green after floating one over the corner on the breeze.risk reward but at the same time its a bit silly in my book. more luck than anything.

 

[ScienceBoy]

im not crazy about the idea of driveable par 4's either.

I like them, they are part of the game, just like reachable in 2 par 5s and short par 3s.

Just because a hole is shorter doesn't mean its easy!

 

[MashieNiblick]

We had an internal OOB to stop people plying up the wrong fairway but have now removed it and players are simply requested not to play the hole that way. Works ok so far. People don't abuse it and we don't get penalised if one does occasionally go on to the other fairway unintentionally.

 

[Imurg]

Don't be naive.
Of course some players will play dangerous shots deliberately if they think it's to their own advantage.
It's not right, but there you go. :angry:

So how do you protect those on the green...?

If the internal OB is there to effectively protect those on the green, but some still try to make the shot, then there is no protection - that's all I'm saying?

The whole point, according to John, of this OB is to protect, a safety precaution. Yet if players are still able to play the potentially knee-capping shot then the OB has failed in its purpose - hasn't it?

My last club had a par 3 green fairly close to another tee that played alongside it - a bit like this one but no trees and the hole dog-legged around to meet the par 3 tee. There was internal OB to "try" to protect those on the par 3 green and tee from drives (it's a drivable par 4). It failed, miserably. Anyone who could carry the ball 200 yards was going for the green - many times miss-hits narrowly missed those on the green and tee...
In the end the club erected a fence with trees around it to block the line. Now you can't go for the green without hitting a serious hook - like 50-60 yards worth!

Problem solved - little chance of an injury on the par 3 green.

If internal OB is there to protect players but the shots that require the OB to be there are still being played then the OB is a waste of time - simple as that.

 

[bobmac]

John, (welcome back by the way), are there no suggestions of moving the 16th green 150 yards to the left?
I looked on Google Earth and it seems it would solve the problem.
It would need a lot of work building the new green, but if it makes it safe for all users it's a no brainer to me

 

[DCB]

Bob, it's a relatively new course where length is everything though

 

[CMAC]

On reflection the trees at the tee is the safest, easiest and most sensible cost effective solution.

 

[papyt]

there should be no internal ob on any course this is just a health an safety issue brought about by bad design what did they expect when laying this hole out,two options shorten the hole to take the dog leg out or plant frees to shield the green but either way is that not taking the risk reward from hitting a good drive.

 

[Stub]

We have internal OOB on one hole and it can be a pain. In this instance I can see the sense in the suggestion of tree planting to block the shot over the neighbouring green.