There is one at Pedham, 15th , I think. Hole is a 90* dogleg so the big hitters could drive over it to the green. As it's a blind shot they put the Internal oob in to stop this on safety grounds
I played an interclub match there in its early days and one of the locals, who was trying to be a LD player, ended up way down (up?) the 7th fairway anyway. Stuck an iron to about 10 ft over the mound for his 2nd though and made Par!The problem is the water feature, which is too big and off-putting for players who are not confident in getting the bal in the air from the first tee.
Funny enough, at the Pro-Am, some pros playing off the black tee preferred to do the same, because the landing area is a bit wider and flatter going down the 7th.
PN, with respect I don’t think you’ve answered my questions.
Maybe those are 'planned for expansion/adjustment' design features that were also in the older courses, but have been fully utilised/pushed back! That said, old (1891 and 1928) layouts of Miurfield don't indicate huge walks from green to next tee. I have to say, that is something of an issue at The Shire - and the elevation changes involved can be a pain too - especially 11 to 12 and 12 to 13....
Personally I think a design fault, especially on newer courses is the huge walks from greens to the next tee. Would much rather play a traditional older course, Colt, Braid etc than some of the modern courses without an internal OB?
And possibly not the 'fault' of those that made the changes either, as they likely were significantly constrained wrt budget or/and scope.That's right. MacKenzie didn't design the course with internal OOB. It's a result of subsequent alterations, so his reputation is untarnished!
I once read a well respected golf architect who argued that internal OOB was a tacit admission of a failure of golf course design. I agree, and I will point out that my course has recently introduced internal OOB, due to a new water feature posing a challenge to some players from the tee that they chose to deal with by playing down an adjacent fairway instead.
Anyone have examples of internal OOB that they think are OK?
Interesting. The 13th green is pretty extreme (read: I'm always on the wrong part of it), and it maybe makes more sense as a par 3 where you're coming in at a nice angle from a flat tee, rather than from a horrid angle and an awkward lie (cough).
Is this history online? I normally try and get a round in at HW once a year, and would be nice to read up.
Agree with first comment.
Second is generally solved by some clever tree/scrub planting
In another life I advised planning officers on new golf course build.
Saw some beuties in my time but the second worse was a hole that was a 450 par 5 [?] which was a total hairpin with a line of trees dividing.
When I informed the 'architect' that I could hit his green of his 450 yard hole with an 8 iron he responded that it would be impossible as it would be OOB and I would have to play the hole as he designed it.
Interestingly enough planning of any golf course could not be refused because of poor design, only on safety grounds.
It was a very five star hotel experience that was designed for a company to exclusively cater for the Japanese corporate golfing market.Brilliant! But you have to tell us what was the worst now.