Personally, I think Vince Cable takes some beating. Had he been
TBH, they could have made the cleaner at the Treasury, Chancellor and the economy would be in safer hands that that numpty Osborne
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Adi2Dassler
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That's a reasonable shout, I've always liked what he has to say.I'll offer you a scoring draw on that one ;-)
jimbob.someroo
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Personally, I think Vince Cable takes some beating. Had he been
TBH, they could have made the cleaner at the Treasury, Chancellor and the economy would be in safer hands that that numpty Osborne
IndeedHe had zero expertise in that field and was given arguably the most important cabinet position at a very difficult time. I (sort of) understand if they adamantly wanted to keep him at the forefront of their party, but they appointed him chancellor simply because they didn't want a LibDem and had nobody else.
A lot of the most unpopular economic policies were pushed through by tories, whilst the LibDems got all the flack - most notably, the increase in tuition fees.
jimbob.someroo
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Go on then :thup:
mikee247
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I'd be interested in seeing a referendum being held in England (after all we are the centre of the Universe), asking if they wanted to keep Scotland as part of the UK?? Not likely of course and its nothing personal but they are a massive drain on funding from benefits and inner city issues (per head) which far out way's the revenue generated by their North Sea projects. Survive without the rest of us supporting them?? Not sure they can. Stunning countryside and golf courses to one side, I know a lot of people hoping the vote goes as Salmon wants it to. Lets be honest most Scots absolutely hate the Engleesh for good reason (even though it be 350 years ago
) and a lot of them choose to live in England... but the continuous racism and abuse thrown by a very few of our tartan friends tends to wear thin after a while..... Hypercritical?
I hope you get what you want whatever it is (although I dont think most Scots will vote for it or are really sure its a good idea when they look at the facts) and it all comes out in the wash... Perhaps then we can move on and concentrate on more important issues like our own country's (UK!) kids starving in poverty ect rather than politicians career ladders.
), asking if they wanted to keep Scotland as part of the UK?? Not likely of course and its nothing personal but they are a massive drain on funding from benefits and inner city issues (per head) which far out way's the revenue generated by their North Sea projects. Survive without the rest of us supporting them?? Not sure they can. Stunning countryside and golf courses to one side, I know a lot of people hoping the vote goes as Salmon wants it to. Lets be honest most Scots absolutely hate the Engleesh for good reason (even though it be 350 years ago) and a lot of them choose to live in England... but the continuous racism and abuse thrown by a very few of our tartan friends tends to wear thin after a while..... Hypercritical? I hope you get what you want whatever it is (although I dont think most Scots will vote for it or are really sure its a good idea when they look at the facts
) and it all comes out in the wash... Perhaps then we can move on and concentrate on more important issues like our own country's (UK!) kids starving in poverty ect rather than politicians career ladders.how long you got Gareth.....
Drugs
Poverty
Unemployment
Antisocial behaviour
Child poverty
Homeless
Better Education
Attracting industry
Training and apprenticeship schemes to support business
Improving policing
and many many more
OH....and potholes:angry:
Rooter
Money List Winner
Deep fried mars bar tax?
runs and hides...........
runs and hides...........
MegaSteve
Tour Winner
Very much like a list I'd like to see nailed to ALL politicians heads as a reminder as to what they actually got voted in for!
Doon frae Troon
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In Scotland there is no real alternate to the SNP.
Our nation voted them in with a majority, something that the new system was supposed to stop.
I challenge anyone on here to name the leaders of the Labour/Tory/Liberals in Scotland [without references]
They just do not exist as viable parties and have nobodies leading them.
The SNP have made a decent job of running the country and many folk voted for them.
That does not mean that they want independence.
Interesting point that most of the English folk living in Scotland that I know are SNP supporters.
It is amusing being doorstepped by an English guy in Scotland trying to argue with you to change your vote to SNP.
Our nation voted them in with a majority, something that the new system was supposed to stop.
I challenge anyone on here to name the leaders of the Labour/Tory/Liberals in Scotland [without references]
They just do not exist as viable parties and have nobodies leading them.
The SNP have made a decent job of running the country and many folk voted for them.
That does not mean that they want independence.
Interesting point that most of the English folk living in Scotland that I know are SNP supporters.
It is amusing being doorstepped by an English guy in Scotland trying to argue with you to change your vote to SNP.
Val
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stevie_r
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Weird, haven't met a fellow expat Englishman that shares that opinion TBH and most of the Scots that I know claim to be firmly in the NO camp.
Val
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I think you may have misread the post, he said because SNP are in now it doesn't necessarily mean that people want independence it's just they see the SNP the best option currently to run the Scottish Government.
stevie_r
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evahakool
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I would suggest you do read some of the better together websites,then get a better understanding of both sides of the argument and take a independent viewpoint instead of blindly following one.
You say you stand by your info,well let me pick up on two of many errors, you say Shetland are pleading for independence from Scotland, totally incorrect,the only time they might want independence is if Scotland did gain independence.
You also claimed that the UK have a rights to a 200 fishing mile zone ,again totally wrong,we gave up this right when we joined the common market.
I've seen a TV programme in the last 6 mths that was based around the people of the Shetlands wanting independance from Scotland................. so just who is right?
SS2
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Apparently (i.e. one of my mates who works in Aberdeen told me), The Scottish oil industry is dead against Salmond for this simple reason: If there are 3billion barrels of oil left, Salmond will claim that's the amount that we'll be able to get out and sell. The problem is to support the SNP's cash-giveway policies means that they will tax the oil industry heavily so that it only becomes economically viable to get 300million barrels out.
He also said that the oil round the Falklands wouldn't be economically viable for a few decades until the tar sands in Canada had been fully utilised.
It's astonishing what you can learn from a mate after several pints.
He also said that the oil round the Falklands wouldn't be economically viable for a few decades until the tar sands in Canada had been fully utilised.
It's astonishing what you can learn from a mate after several pints.
evahakool
Challenge Tour Pro
Don't know which tv programme that was,but I live in Shetland and I can assure you that there has never been any call for independence from Scotland.
Adi2Dassler
Journeyman Pro
Re: Shetland, you referring to the UKIP thread?I've just re-read it and I've not once said anything of the sort...I stated (correctly) that if Shetland do go their own way, they'll have very little of the natural resources that surround them.
I'm suggesting, post theoretical yes victory, that EFTA would be my preferred choice, removing Scotland from the Euro Zone...there is a distinct and specific difference....the 200 mile zone is accurate, it's over riden by EC countries and the common fisheries policy, but I'd be looking for Scotland to 'not join' the euro zone....because as bettertogther have said ad nauseum, Scotland will not automatically be a member state.
And once better together provide the kind of info the yes campaign are I'll start to read.
