In or Out?

[greenone]

Don't you think it's a real shame that they're apparently deemed mutually exclusive?

Perhaps because common sense isn't common and generally people will go with what suits them instead of what the rules actually state.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The picture shows a straight line boundary so is irrelevant in my view. i.e. take the middle of three white stakes out and it doesn't alter it at all. In the real life example there's a question of what the boundary is, in this image there is no question.

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the picture shows that the OOB boundary without any evidence of lines is directly from post to post in a straight line ad pert the rules of golf - it’s not “irrelevant” at all ?‍

That picture is from the rules of the sport yet you still dismiss

In the picture in the OP there is no white line so the OOB boundary is from one post to the next in a straight line “unless the scorecard or local rule define the boundary to be different”

 

[PNWokingham]

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the picture shows that the OOB boundary without any evidence of lines is directly from post to post in a straight line ad pert the rules of golf - it’s not “irrelevant” at all ?‍

That picture is from the rules of the sport yet you still dismiss

In the picture in the OP there is no white line so the OOB boundary is from one post to the next in a straight line “unless the scorecard or local rule define the boundary to be different”

Phil. Sometimes 122 posts, most of which clearly expressing the rule and how it is interpreted is not enough. I will check in later when we are nearer #250 to see if the fog has lifted! ?

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Don't you think it's a real shame that they're apparently deemed mutually exclusive?

They may not always make sense, but you always have to stick to them

 

[Colin L]

[QUOTE="Orikoru, post: 2482748, member: 22581"
I just refuse to believe that the club intended there to be angular straight lines between posts to mark what's out of bounds, it goes against all logic in my opinion. And as I said, that only be if everyone in my group agreed unanimously, and 9 times out of 10 I'm certain they would do.
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Good grief! Are you seriously suggesting that players apply the rule on the basis of a) your "belief" about the intentions of the club, b) deciding for themselves what is "logical"; and c). holding a vote?

The only evidence of the intention of the club is the white posts.

 

[Swango1980]

[QUOTE="Orikoru, post: 2482748, member: 22581"
I just refuse to believe that the club intended there to be angular straight lines between posts to mark what's out of bounds, it goes against all logic in my opinion. And as I said, that only be if everyone in my group agreed unanimously, and 9 times out of 10 I'm certain they would do.

Colin L said: "Good grief! Are you seriously suggesting that players apply the rule on the basis of a) second guessing the intentions of the club, b) deciding for themselves what is "logical"; and c). holding a vote?"[/QUOTE]

I think I can answer this one. Yes, this does indeed seem to be what he is suggesting.

 

[Orikoru]

I already knew what the rule is. The club haven't done their bloody stakes properly though have they??

 

[i*windows]

Not sure. I'm just hoping @i*windows is holding off posting a photo of the local rules / scorecard for reasons of comic timing.

enjoy .


basically its out if its on the road next to hole one, and you cant go in the farmers fields beyond the boundary

and I played two balls, took the penalty, made a 7 (par 5).

 

[Orikoru]

Good grief! Are you seriously suggesting that players apply the rule on the basis of a) second guessing the intentions of the club, b) deciding for themselves what is "logical"; and c). holding a vote?

I'm not 'suggesting' anything. It's simply a fact of what happens at golf courses across the country.

 

[Swango1980]

I'm not 'suggesting' anything. It's simply a fact of what happens at golf courses across the country.

You are suggesting you'd play it as in bounds, because you have decided within your group it was in bounds and what the intention was. Despite knowing the rule, which says it is out of bounds based on the marking.

What would you do if one of the people playing with you was ColinL, Liverpoolphil or Foxholer, and they did not agree with your assessment. On that particular round would you consider it as out of bounds because they don't agree with you, even though normally you'd play it as in bounds if playing with different people?

 

[Blue in Munich]

Perhaps because common sense isn't common and generally people will go with what suits them instead of what the rules actually state.

Ah yes, the subtle difference between the nearest point of relief and the nicest point of relief, another point that most amateurs either don’t understand or choose to apply “common sense” to. Otherwise known as ignoring the rule or cheating.

 

[Blue in Munich]

You are suggesting you'd play it as in bounds, because you have decided within your group it was in bounds and what the intention was. Despite knowing the rule, which says it is out of bounds based on the marking.

What would you do if one of the people playing with you was ColinL, Liverpoolphil or Foxholer, and they did not agree with your assessment. On that particular round would you consider it as out of bounds because they don't agree with you, even though normally you'd play it as in bounds if playing with different people?

In fairness that would never happen as Phil wouldn't be that desperate for a partner.

 

[greenone]

You are suggesting you'd play it as in bounds, because you have decided within your group it was in bounds and what the intention was. Despite knowing the rule, which says it is out of bounds based on the marking.

What would you do if one of the people playing with you was ColinL, Liverpoolphil or Foxholer, and they did not agree with your assessment. On that particular round would you consider it as out of bounds because they don't agree with you, even though normally you'd play it as in bounds if playing with different people?

Unfortunately every club has them. We have a single figure handicapper who plays off 20+ whenever he plays with people other than the 2 he normally plays with.

 

[SteveW86]

In fairness that would never happen as Phil wouldn't be that desperate for a partner.

Phil would probably be a hundred yards back taking pictures and holding up the group behind

 

[Jimaroid]

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basically its out if its on the road next to hole one, and you cant go in the farmers fields beyond the boundary

and I played two balls, took the penalty, made a 7 (par 5).

Thank you. In which case you proceeded correctly as it's out of bounds. And to answer your original question, my feedback to the committee would be to better define the boundary of the 18th hole within the local rules. There are many options available to them to do so, such as number of stakes, painted lines, artificial ditches etc.

 

[phillarrow]

enjoy .
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basically its out if its on the road next to hole one, and you cant go in the farmers fields beyond the boundary

and I played two balls, took the penalty, made a 7 (par 5).

So if it is the farmer's field that is the boundary on this hole...how do you know where the farmer's field starts?

Just for the sheer fun of it, please say it's where the long grass is!

 

[phillarrow]

In the absence of markings the posts dictate the line. A difference in grass length is not a marking, who knows, they could have sent the apprentice out to cut the rough and they got a bit over enthusiastic.

Okay, even I am getting bored of this one but I am honestly intrigued by it...

That bit I posted from the R and A website says that a course CAN use any other means to distinguish OOB areas, so how do you KNOW that it's not the long grass in this case?

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Okay, even I am getting bored of this one but I am honestly intrigued by it...

That bit I posted from the R and A website says that a course CAN use any other means to distinguish OOB areas, so how do you KNOW that it's not the long grass in this case?

It should state otherwise, on the card for example.
We have fences, a lake and a shallow ditch to mark our oob, which are all detailed.

 

[phillarrow]

It should state otherwise, on the card for example.
We have fences, a lake and a shallow ditch to mark our oob, which are all detailed.

Cheers.

So, unless we have seen the card and/or any information board at the start of the course, we are all just guessing whether it is in or out?

P.S. I still think the R&A rule would be better if it said "...straight line..."

 

[chrisd]

I'm not 'suggesting' anything. It's simply a fact of what happens at golf courses across the country.

In competitions, qualifying or otherwise ?