IMMIGRATION

[Dibby]

I think what's interesting is that immigration is treated as a scapegoat, when rather than a root cause, it's an effect, of which the root cause is the government-run Ponzi scheme that is state pensions. I assume most people who want to cut immigration would not want to forfeit their state pensions, which makes it a difficult connundrum to solve, and perhaps even hypocritical that those who want to cut immigration are those who benefit most from it.

 

[chrisd]

Yeah, it's almost as if entire families have clubbed together to try and save one or two family members. Nah, that's not really possible is it?

Might be, but then again , might not

 

[SocketRocket]

remind me who has unmanaged it over the last 10yrs? Or perhaps it has been managed - to the level the UK economy requires...

Pointing fingers does not alter my view, it should be managed and should always have been managed. What has that got to do with the present government, they are just as bad as the previous in this respect.

 

[Mrs Wiggles]

Nobody seems to have the answer to how are we going to fit all these people in?

When I started in my current job 10 years ago it used to take me 40 mins to drive to work, now it takes 1hr30 on a good day. We quite simply do not have the infrastructure to keep taking more people in.

A sensible post. Yes indeed, where are we going to put all these people

 

[Mrs Wiggles]

So it's a religious issue?

To ignore cultural differences is madness.

 

[Wolf]

To ignore cultural differences is madness.

To pigeon hole everyone based on their religion is a greater madness

 

[Mrs Wiggles]

Nope. I'm suggesting that a blanket approach to immigrants is both socially and economically irresponsible. I'm saying quite clearly that there are people on this thread who clearly think that immigration is a bad thing.

This man explains it so much better

 

[bluewolf]

This man explains it so much better

No he doesn't. He just dog whistles to the choir.

 

[Mrs Wiggles]

To pigeon hole everyone based on their religion is a greater madness

There are two types of people. Those who believe multiculturalism doesn't works, and then there is a small minority that believes it does. The latter generally in live in areas where it doesn't exist !

 

[User20205]

A sensible post. Yes indeed, where are we going to put all these people

Not really...he’s moved 45mins further away 🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

[Wolf]

There are two types of people. Those who believe multiculturalism doesn't works, and then there is a small minority that believes it does. The latter generally in live in areas where it doesn't exist !

Wow... you sure your'e not the 3rd type of person who can't accept multiculturalism because they can't see beyond their own self importance and beliefs....

People don't have to be the same age, race, faith or sex to get along they have to simply be decent human beings with the ability to accept others views and beliefs.. This exists in many parts of the world but i'm guessing your not in that category based on this single quoted post alone.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I think we're at the point where anymore immigration should be skills and/or means based.

In every city up and down the UK we've got enough of our own lazy, work shy, want for nothing, selfish people. We can't afford nor have the capacity for more unlimited immigration.

 

[User20205]

There are two types of people. Those who believe multiculturalism doesn't works, and then there is a small minority that believes it does. The latter generally in live in areas where it doesn't exist !

It does work in the main. South Asian immigration has become assimilated in British culture, when was the last time you had a curry? Look at the make up of the English National football or rugby team & tell me it hasn’t worked. If there’s an issue how can you identify the difference between economic or cultural lack of integration?
There is an issue with Muslim integration which seems to be specific to one religious group & isn’t limited to the U.K.

 

[doublebogey7]

Testify. Our housing system is mostly run as a profit generating system for both householders and property developers. Fine if you think things like housing should be completely left to the market, but if you do that you will end up with a dearth of affordable housing for those on lower wages or benefits. Yes having fewer immigrants may have a slight impact, but it will not sort out the underlying structural problems.

I think you misunderstand me, we are essentially agreeing with each other on this.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I think you misunderstand me, we are essentially agreeing with each other on this.

I know, hence the 'testify'. As in I completely agree with what you said.

 

[doublebogey7]

It does work in the main. South Asian immigration has become assimilated in British culture, when was the last time you had a curry? Look at the make up of the English National football or rugby team & tell me it hasn’t worked. If there’s an issue how can you identify the difference between economic or cultural lack of integration?
There is an issue with Muslim integration which seems to be specific to one religious group & isn’t limited to the U.K.

There are two types of people. Those who believe multiculturalism doesn't works, and then there is a small minority that believes it does. The latter generally in live in areas where it doesn't exist !

Evidence, area's that voted to leave the EU were predominately where there were very few immigrants, the opposite being true for remain area's.

 

[SocketRocket]

I think what's interesting is that immigration is treated as a scapegoat, when rather than a root cause, it's an effect, of which the root cause is the government-run Ponzi scheme that is state pensions. I assume most people who want to cut immigration would not want to forfeit their state pensions, which makes it a difficult connundrum to solve, and perhaps even hypocritical that those who want to cut immigration are those who benefit most from it.

So allowing net immigration the size of a medium city each year is the solution, is it? Taking into account these people will become old and in general have bigger families then how will their pensions be funded, you would have to exponentially increase the number of immigrants each year and it doesn't take much imagination to understand how that would end. It needs a different solution, maybe the state pension should be run down and peoples money putting wholey or partially into a pension fund which allows us to top up if we wish.

 

[Mrs Wiggles]

It does work in the main. South Asian immigration has become assimilated in British culture, when was the last time you had a curry? Look at the make up of the English National football or rugby team & tell me it hasn’t worked. If there’s an issue how can you identify the difference between economic or cultural lack of integration?
There is an issue with Muslim integration which seems to be specific to one religious group & isn’t limited to the U.K.

Have you visited Luton, or Bradford. Did you get to hear about 9/11, 7/7, or the Manchester Arena, to name just a few incidents, just wondering? The majority of people throughout the world are intolerant of other cultures, one culture in particular.Immigration in small numbers can work, and work well. Multiculturalism in any society is a car crash.

 

[Tashyboy]

To be honest I had a bit of a giggle reading the first post. Coz I think it may well of been my first ever post, IE Immigration.
Anyway, should we reduce immigration to zero. No. If it enhances our lifestyles, and the people that fill that role then yes. I am all for immigration. The arguement about the NHS collapsing if all foreign nationals were to leave. I don't get it, I don't get it one single bit. Let me put this to you. When the NHS was set up. How many foreign nationals did we depend on then. Nigh on non. So how has it been allowed to get to the state it is now. Because successive governments under both Labour and the Tories with a bit of Liberal chucked in have been incompetent in running the NHS through a lack of training. Oh and my wife was involved in training so it's not just my opinion. If there is going to be a shortage, train people. And I don't just mean the NHS.
Bringing in foreign labour has enhanced our lifestyles exactly how. How has this multicultural lifestyle exactly enhanced our lives. Someone please explain. But before you do. Understand this. My son is going to Australia on 27th Dec for his second year. He is taking his girlfriend with him. She is Indian. Her family cannot accept she is going out with a white boy. They love one another. They do not know she is going to Oz with him. They have not accepted British customs. But expect there's to be. A multicultural society works more than both ways because there is more than two cultures involved, there are hundreds. Even within Indian culture, some Indians think they have a better standing in society than others. Does putting them people in our society change that view, No.
Obviously bringing in migrants helps in low skilled jobs like fruit picking etc. Eh, how. Where I play golf at Norwood Park it is a fruit farm. I picked fruit there 40 years ago to earn money during the summer holidays, locals were employed there. Now it is full of Eastern Europeans. Yet we have unemployment in the area. So I will ask this question. Why are we paying out dole money and benefits, yet employing foreign nationals to do non skilled work.
Yes I am all for migration, but it should and could be letter managed.
Because it hasn't been, I believe is the root cause of why so many folk voted leave. The leaders of the EU with its open door policy to migration, and the head in the sand policies of both Tories and Labour in regard to the same problem has split this country and Europe right down the middle.

 

[Wolf]

Have you visited Luton, or Bradford. Did you get to hear about 9/11 or 7/7. Just wondering? The majority of people throughout the world are intolerant of other cultures, one in particular !

And there it is..... The quote that outs you for what you really are...

Have you heard of the Olympia bombing, Harrods bombing, Hyde Park Bombings, Heathrow Mortar attacks, Docklands bombing, and many others just a quick one for you none of these terrorist attacks were by Muslims..

Not every Muslim is a terrorist, just like not every terrorist is Muslim.....

Edit: Could also argue that last pat of your sentence about one in particular, seems you in particular are also not tolerant of other cultures one in particular....