IMMIGRATION

[Mrs Wiggles]

And there it is..... The quote that outs you for what you really are...

Have you heard of the Olympia bombing, Harrods bombing, Hyde Park Bombings, Heathrow Mortar attacks, Docklands bombing, and many others just a quick one for you none of these terrorist attacks were by Muslims..

Not every Muslim is a terrorist, just like not every terrorist is Muslim.....

Edit: Could also argue that last pat of your sentence about one in particular, seems you in particular are also not tolerant of other cultures one in particular....

Well done for defending the indefensible. Here are a few figures for you. Research indicates 20% of Muslims hold radical views. 20% of the worlds Muslims equate to the entire population of the USA. You can hand pick a few terrorist attacks by non Muslim groups, but to believe that terrorism is not a Islamic plague is putting your head in the sand. I have bothered to read most of the Quran, I suggest you do the same, and then tell me it is a peaceful religion.

Although we are getting off of the beaten track, immigration brings with it many issues, and the mixtures of cultures is just one of the problems. Here is an interesting video for you to watch, this woman expalins it so much better than I ever could

 

[Deleted member 16999]

To be honest I had a bit of a giggle reading the first post. Coz I think it may well of been my first ever post, IE Immigration.
Anyway, should we reduce immigration to zero. No. If it enhances our lifestyles, and the people that fill that role then yes. I am all for immigration. The arguement about the NHS collapsing if all foreign nationals were to leave. I don't get it, I don't get it one single bit. Let me put this to you. When the NHS was set up. How many foreign nationals did we depend on then. Nigh on non. So how has it been allowed to get to the state it is now. Because successive governments under both Labour and the Tories with a bit of Liberal chucked in have been incompetent in running the NHS through a lack of training. Oh and my wife was involved in training so it's not just my opinion. If there is going to be a shortage, train people. And I don't just mean the NHS.
Bringing in foreign labour has enhanced our lifestyles exactly how. How has this multicultural lifestyle exactly enhanced our lives. Someone please explain. But before you do. Understand this. My son is going to Australia on 27th Dec for his second year. He is taking his girlfriend with him. She is Indian. Her family cannot accept she is going out with a white boy. They love one another. They do not know she is going to Oz with him. They have not accepted British customs. But expect there's to be. A multicultural society works more than both ways because there is more than two cultures involved, there are hundreds. Even within Indian culture, some Indians think they have a better standing in society than others. Does putting them people in our society change that view, No.
Obviously bringing in migrants helps in low skilled jobs like fruit picking etc. Eh, how. Where I play golf at Norwood Park it is a fruit farm. I picked fruit there 40 years ago to earn money during the summer holidays, locals were employed there. Now it is full of Eastern Europeans. Yet we have unemployment in the area. So I will ask this question. Why are we paying out dole money and benefits, yet employing foreign nationals to do non skilled work.
Yes I am all for migration, but it should and could be letter managed.
Because it hasn't been, I believe is the root cause of why so many folk voted leave. The leaders of the EU with its open door policy to migration, and the head in the sand policies of both Tories and Labour in regard to the same problem has split this country and Europe right down the middle.

How has it enhanced our lifestyles?
Shall we start with the Oil money you so eloquently argued on another thread had created the jobs around the Etihad and brought the area back to life, shall we discuss the South American, African immigrants pulling on shirts for your football team and the money they spend in the local areas.
Going back to the NHS, it wasn’t initially staffed by immigrants as it was set up just after the 2nd World War, but in those days we looked to take in the refugees or the displaced people and tried to help and didn’t call them immigrants.
Good luck to your and his girlfriend, hopefully it will be fantastic for them.

 

[Dibby]

So allowing net immigration the size of a medium city each year is the solution, is it? Taking into account these people will become old and in general have bigger families then how will their pensions be funded, you would have to exponentially increase the number of immigrants each year and it doesn't take much imagination to understand how that would end. It needs a different solution, maybe the state pension should be run down and peoples money putting wholey or partially into a pension fund which allows us to top up if we wish.

I made no comment of the solution, my point is people are looking at immigration as a root cause, but the reason we have immigration is because it is an effect, the root cause of which is the need for a bigger tax base to fund state pensions, increasing healthcare costs etc...

Presumably, the state pension should be run down, but after you have drawn yours?
Of course I don't think the population should be allowed to grow exponentially, but wanting to stop immigration before wanting to stop the reasons it happens among which are state pensions, growing healthcare costs, ever growing economies etc.. is both foolish and a position of hypocrisy that basically equates to "I've got mine, so sod those who are coming next."

 

[USER1999]

I think in the long term, the state pension, and access to the NHS is going to have to be means tested. Neither were set up for the numbers using them. Quite a few of my (lucky) friends have pensions I can only dream about. The state pension is the cherry on top, which they really do not need.
Similarly, there is a massive shortage of gp access, with some appointments taking up to 3 weeks. And yet I can see a gp tomorrow, by paying for private medical care. Those that can afford to, but don't, are clogging up a system that can ill afford it.

 

[TheDiablo]

Have you visited Luton, or Bradford. Did you get to hear about 9/11, 7/7, or the Manchester Arena, to name just a few incidents, just wondering? The majority of people throughout the world are intolerant of other cultures, one culture in particular.Immigration in small numbers can work, and work well. Multiculturalism in any society is a car crash.

I could spend time taking apart your points one by one, but I'm not going to waste my time on someone like you.

Nobody has been bold enough yet that I've seen when skimming through but I'll call it...

You're a disgusting racist.

I'm fine with people holding different views to mine (as a tolerant individual), but yours are extreme and I'm not ok with that without calling it out.

I feel sorry for people that have to spend time with you.

Give me my Muslim, Black, Hindu, Jewish and 'immigrant' European friends and colleagues over anyone British with your attitude every minute of the day.

 

[Wolf]

Well done for defending the indefensible. Here are a few figures for you. Research indicates 20% of Muslims hold radical views. 20% of the worlds Muslims equate to the entire population of the USA. You can hand pick a few terrorist attacks by non Muslim groups, but to believe that terrorism is not a Islamic plague is putting your head in the sand. I have bothered to read most of the Quran, I suggest you do the same, and then tell me it is a peaceful religion.

Although we are getting off of the beaten track, immigration brings with it many issues, and the mixtures of cultures is just one of the problems. Here is an interesting video for you to watch, this woman expalins it so much better than I ever could

Can you read arabic or aramaic... I'm guessing you can't and therefore have only read a translation of a book that can be misquoted as can the Holy bible...

Have you ever spent any prolonged period of time in a Muslim country to understand their culture that is more than just the words in a book, again my guess is no you haven't...

Terrorist incidents are not caused by someones religion and to believe so without any true understanding of the peoples cultures is blind and bigoted. I quoted a handful yes there are many hundreds more committed by the IRA and other terror cells that can be quoted over the years. Who do you think polices this country, serves in its armed forces, works for fire depts to save lives, works in the NHS to maintain your health to keep you breathing to believe in such views. many hundreds of thousands of muslims, sikhs, napalese, christians all faiths and denominations do this hell probably a few work on here to keep this forum running so we can express our views . But you crack on singling out people because purely they believe in Islam, or have a different religious view to you..

In my opinion in this thread alone you have shown yourself to be very ignorant Xenophobic and potentially racist on certain topics and I hope you never have the misfortune to have to ask a muslim person, Dr, Nurse, Police officer, Fire Fighter or anyone the need to help save your life, medicate you or help you in anyway because clearly you don't seem to be able to differentiate between a decent human being that is muslim and an extremist moron that can exist in any religion....

 

[User20205]

Have you visited Luton, or Bradford. Did you get to hear about 9/11, 7/7, or the Manchester Arena, to name just a few incidents, just wondering? The majority of people throughout the world are intolerant of other cultures, one culture in particular.Immigration in small numbers can work, and work well. Multiculturalism in any society is a car crash.

No it’s not, you’re talking about a specific group who for whatever reason don’t intergrate. Also not sure what 9/11 has to do with immigration, that’s just silly.

Citing an issue with 1 group & quoting extreme examples doesn’t illustrate a point only proves it. Muslim (lack of) integration only serves to illustrate how well other groups have become embedded in British culture

 

[Wolf]

I could spend time taking apart your points one by one, but I'm not going to waste my time on someone like you.

Nobody has been bold enough yet that I've seen when skimming through but I'll call it...

You're a disgusting racist.

I'm fine with people holding different views to mine (as a tolerant individual), but yours are extreme and I'm not ok with that without calling it out.

I feel sorry for people that have to spend time with you.

Give me my Muslim, Black, Hindu, Jewish and 'immigrant' European friends and colleagues over anyone British with your attitude every minute of the day.

Probably wants to Vote for Tommy Robinson as next PM

 

[User20205]

Well done for defending the indefensible. Here are a few figures for you. Research indicates 20% of Muslims hold radical views. 20% of the worlds Muslims equate to the entire population of the USA. You can hand pick a few terrorist attacks by non Muslim groups, but to believe that terrorism is not a Islamic plague is putting your head in the sand. I have bothered to read most of the Quran, I suggest you do the same, and then tell me it is a peaceful religion.

Although we are getting off of the beaten track, immigration brings with it many issues, and the mixtures of cultures is just one of the problems. Here is an interesting video for you to watch, this woman expalins it so much better than I ever could

9/11 has nothing to do with immigration.....you seem to love a stat, what % of immigrants in the last 10 yrs have been Muslim? I don’t know

 

[DCB]

Thread being watched as it develops. Let's not get too extreme please, otherwise, thread will be locked down.