IMMIGRATION

[Mrs Wiggles]

Just picked up on a post made on another thread about immigration, so thought it justified a thread of it's own.

I will put my cards on the table and say I believe the UK should work towards a net immigration of zero. I accept we aren't ready for this yet, but it should be our aim. I am passionate about population control, and believe our huge population is the underlying issue for most of our problems. There are those who would argue that our ageing population is the reason we need immigrants, but I would point out that these people will get old also. It's evident in so many areas throughout Europe that mass immigration has catastrophic effects on culture. Regardless of what liberals may tell us, multiculturalism creates far more problems than the few benefits it brings with it. An increased population through immigration puts to much of a strain on the infrastructure. We have thousands upon thousands of homeless indigenous people, yet we are happy to allow poor immigrants in and pay for their accommodation. For years now immigration has held wages back, and allowed employers to stop training.

I am fully aware that some of you will hold very different opinions to me, so bring it on !!

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Are you talking immigrants from all countries or just European ones?

 

[HughJars]

yet we are happy to allow poor immigrants in and pay for their accommodation. For years now immigration has held wages back, and allowed employers to stop training.

nothing to see here, just another racist off on a fact free rant

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Are we getting rid of all foreigners then?
Chefs, waiting staff, nurses, doctors, cleaners, fruit pickers etc etc etc...the works?

 

[SocketRocket]

nothing to see here, just another racist off on a fact free rant

What a lazy bigoted post.

 

[SocketRocket]

Are we getting rid of all foreigners then?
Chefs, waiting staff, nurses, doctors, cleaners, fruit pickers etc etc etc...the works?

Where was it mentioned that we should get rid of anyone.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Isn't that what zero immigration would entail, the removal of all non-native Brits, and no longer letting any non-native Brits into the country?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Just picked up on a post made on another thread about immigration, so thought it justified a thread of it's own.

I will put my cards on the table and say I believe the UK should work towards a net immigration of zero. I accept we aren't ready for this yet, but it should be our aim. I am passionate about population control, and believe our huge population is the underlying issue for most of our problems. There are those who would argue that our ageing population is the reason we need immigrants, but I would point out that these people will get old also. It's evident in so many areas throughout Europe that mass immigration has catastrophic effects on culture. Regardless of what liberals may tell us, multiculturalism creates far more problems than the few benefits it brings with it. An increased population through immigration puts to much of a strain on the infrastructure. We have thousands upon thousands of homeless indigenous people, yet we are happy to allow poor immigrants in and pay for their accommodation. For years now immigration has held wages back, and allowed employers to stop training.

I am fully aware that some of you will hold very different opinions to me, so bring it on !!

Sorry but the majority of this is laughable. I work in the NHS and we have a huge shortage of skilled workforce across all aspects from doctors to nursing staff and acute shortages in specialised areas like maternity (midwives) and radiography. My trust along with every other has been as resourceful as they can and we have looked at the European markets, places like the Philippines etc to try and find suitable staff to recruit, train and reatin (golden handshakes etc). We as the NHS are reliant on migrant workers (add in the Nepalese cleaning/caterers, Polish portering staff etc) and so any immigration restrictions on the flow of workers into the UK is going to have a dramatic and catastrophic effect on an already understaffed NHS. If we get a serious second half to the winter with increased bed pressures you'll soon hear of A&E and other areas reaching tipping point. A fundamental reason will be a lack of trained staff to look after the patients requiring care.

 

[robinthehood]

Does this include the Irish?

 

[SocketRocket]

Isn't that what zero immigration would entail, the removal of all non-native Brits, and no longer letting any non-native Brits into the country?

No. It means the net number is zero. Its nothing to do with removing people. Take the number of people leaving and replace them with the same number, thats zero net immigration. I am not agreeing this is possible though but I do not think the current numbers are sustainable.

 

[SocketRocket]

Does this include the Irish?

Why

 

[SocketRocket]

Sorry but the majority of this is laughable. I work in the NHS and we have a huge shortage of skilled workforce across all aspects from doctors to nursing staff and acute shortages in specialised areas like maternity (midwives) and radiography. My trust along with every other has been as resourceful as they can and we have looked at the European markets, places like the Philippines etc to try and find suitable staff to recruit, train and reatin (golden handshakes etc). We as the NHS are reliant on migrant workers (add in the Nepalese cleaning/caterers, Polish portering staff etc) and so any immigration restrictions on the flow of workers into the UK is going to have a dramatic and catastrophic effect on an already understaffed NHS. If we get a serious second half to the winter with increased bed pressures you'll soon hear of A&E and other areas reaching tipping point. A fundamental reason will be a lack of trained staff to look after the patients requiring care.

Train them then. Taking these people from poorer countries that have paid to train them is immoral.

 

[Mrs Wiggles]

Sorry but the majority of this is laughable. I work in the NHS and we have a huge shortage of skilled workforce across all aspects from doctors to nursing staff and acute shortages in specialised areas like maternity (midwives) and radiography. My trust along with every other has been as resourceful as they can and we have looked at the European markets, places like the Philippines etc to try and find suitable staff to recruit, train and reatin (golden handshakes etc). We as the NHS are reliant on migrant workers (add in the Nepalese cleaning/caterers, Polish portering staff etc) and so any immigration restrictions on the flow of workers into the UK is going to have a dramatic and catastrophic effect on an already understaffed NHS. If we get a serious second half to the winter with increased bed pressures you'll soon hear of A&E and other areas reaching tipping point. A fundamental reason will be a lack of trained staff to look after the patients requiring care.

My thread clearly states that we are not ready for zero NET immigration. It must be remembered that part of the reason we need NHS workers from abroad is because our population is so large, and part of the reason for that is mass immigration. Hypothetically, if we didn't treat any first or second generation immigrants, the pressures on the NHS would be vastly reduced. I emphasise, hypothetically. I would also point out that our lack of training is partly to blame. We have an education system that is not joined up to the job market, unlike some other countries. We allow our university students to take pointless exams in order they end up working in McDonalds. Your right, many of the porters and and cleaning staff are from overseas, but at the same time the housing estate up the road from the hospital has hundreds of indigenous people sat on their behinds collecting benefits. As long as the government allow this life style to be an option the need for immigration continues.

I also agree with SocketRocket, when he says that taking people from other countries is immoral, because their skills aren't benefiting the country that trained them

 

[robinthehood]

Why

Cos i'm askin innit fam

 

[SocketRocket]

Cos i'm askin innit fam

Why not ask about french, German, Australian etc. Why do you make a special case about the Irish.

 

[Mrs Wiggles]

Isn't that what zero immigration would entail, the removal of all non-native Brits, and no longer letting any non-native Brits into the country?

Of course not, the only people that should be removed, are those who are here illegally. Yes, I believe we should work towards zero NET immigration, but that isn't the same thing as not letting non-native Britts into the country. I emphasise that zero net immigration is an eventual target, not a short term plan

 

[robinthehood]

Why not ask about french, German, Australian etc. Why do you make a special case about the Irish.

Because they are a special case fam

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Sorry but the majority of this is laughable. I work in the NHS and we have a huge shortage of skilled workforce across all aspects from doctors to nursing staff and acute shortages in specialised areas like maternity (midwives) and radiography. My trust along with every other has been as resourceful as they can and we have looked at the European markets, places like the Philippines etc to try and find suitable staff to recruit, train and reatin (golden handshakes etc). We as the NHS are reliant on migrant workers (add in the Nepalese cleaning/caterers, Polish portering staff etc) and so any immigration restrictions on the flow of workers into the UK is going to have a dramatic and catastrophic effect on an already understaffed NHS. If we get a serious second half to the winter with increased bed pressures you'll soon hear of A&E and other areas reaching tipping point. A fundamental reason will be a lack of trained staff to look after the patients requiring care.

We might have a shortage of doctors, nurses, dentists etc but I'm pretty sure that the countries all the foreign ones come from haven't got an over supply of them. So it's OK for us ship them in when their home countries can't afford to lose them?

 

[SocketRocket]

Because they are a special case fam

Then you will probably be aware there are and have been for a very long time special arrangements for Irish Nationals to live in the UK.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

No. It means the net number is zero. Its nothing to do with removing people. Take the number of people leaving and replace them with the same number, thats zero net immigration. I am not agreeing this is possible though but I do think the current numbers are sustainable.

I don't disagree with this point