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Think he was on the crest of a wave around the Ryder cup time. You could probably ask this question about most golfers tbh.
 
My bet hes changed stuff in the swing dept during the off period in order to do better in the majors. Im not sure hes played much yet this season and I agree the clothing line thing is an unwanted distraction but what he has played has been awful! Im a big fan of Poults but I cant see him doing anything sensational but being a good Ryder cup player....I hope Im wrong. :(
 
He's just not as consistent as most other pro's out there. He can play the same shots as everybody else, and when it all slots into place for him, can shoot really low numbers. But he just hasn't got the ability to get it round in low enough numbers when he's not playing well.

Him turning pro off four hcp has been well documented, and there's no doubt he would be much lower than that now - but there's guys out there turning pro off +4 etc, and they're the ones who are picking up cheques week in/week out. It takes a stupid amount of hard work and consistency to get to + numbers and it's a given that if you're off + something, you can still put a semi-respectable score together when you're not playing great.

I think this is where the difference between the natural ability guys and those who have drilled in routines and perhaps have to work harder at their games is evident. People like IJP and Bubba play a lot on feel and natural talent, when it's going well, they're on fire and are winning tournaments. However, when it's not, they seem to really struggle. If you look at people like Louis Ooooost / Charl S or even Keegan who are arguably a lot more technical, there's a reason why they're all higher in the world rankings than IJP and Bubba. It's not cos they make more birdies, but they seem to make less mistakes.
 
jimbob.someroo said:
If you look at people like Louis Ooooost / Charl S or even Keegan who are arguably a lot more technical, there's a reason why they're all higher in the world rankings than IJP and Bubba. It's not cos they make more birdies, but they seem to make less mistakes.
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Also, I made this point without any factual evidence - but have just gone to look at the stats on the PGA site to back it up.

Louis, Charl and Keegan are all in the top 30 for fewest bogey averages. Bubba and Poults are 64 & 79 respectively.

Conversely, Bubba is 5th on birdies per round, whereas Louis is 146th - yet Louis is 10 places lower in the world rankings.
 
Tongo said:
Would love to see Poults win a major but, as already alluded to, i think he's gonna be another Ryder Cup hero and that's it.
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Another Monty then?

To be honest, he's not doing too badly. Successful clothing line, lots of money, plays golf week in week out, drives pretty much what he wants. I'd take it...!
 
Wabinez said:
Another Monty then?

To be honest, he's not doing too badly. Successful clothing line, lots of money, plays golf week in week out, drives pretty much what he wants. I'd take it...!
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Yes and no. Monty had good chances to win majors, i cant see Poults challenging in the near future. As to the money etc, i'm sure Poults himself would tell you that its about winning tournaments and titles.
 
I have been a fan of Poulter in the past but some of his recent comments on Twitter have, to my mind, been a bit out of order. A few fans have asked questions about his form, suggesting that he has taken too much time off this season and his replies have been pretty harsh, dismissive and rude in some circumstances in response to what have been general and polite enquiries and not having a go at him.

I do think that he may have taken too many big breaks this year and not played enough tournaments to get any form. Add to that the fact that he has, I believe, pretty much changed every club in his bag and the lack of form is hardly surprising. I hope he gets back on form soon but not sure that this is going to happen.
 
jimbob.someroo said:
He's just not as consistent as most other pro's out there. He can play the same shots as everybody else, and when it all slots into place for him, can shoot really low numbers. But he just hasn't got the ability to get it round in low enough numbers when he's not playing well.
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He's pretty much recognised as the most successful hacker on tour - his ball striking is apparently nowhere near as good as others at, or even significantly lower than, his level.

He's slightly OTT in the 'these guys are good' for me - seeming a touch arrogant (unnecessary) rather than simply self-confident (beneficial/required). Great performer in Matchplay though, as that attitude actually seems to help.
 
Foxholer said:
He's pretty much recognised as the most successful hacker on tour - his ball striking is apparently nowhere near as good as others at, or even significantly lower than, his level.

He's slightly OTT in the 'these guys are good' for me - seeming a touch arrogant (unnecessary) rather than simply self-confident (beneficial/required). Great performer in Matchplay though, as that attitude actually seems to help.
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Interesting. I didn't know that, nor had I even heard that before. Do you think this is true or just jealousy?
 
Put it this way, Im not picking him for my fantasy team at Wentworth this week

Having said that, he aint finished yet, not by a long way

many players have dips in their form, He'll be back
 
How can he be so good at the Ryder Cup and then be so rubbish in REAL competition.

Regarding the Twitter thing, he does tend to rub people the wrong way with some tweets. But what was bang out of order was when he was ripping into a guy(without the guys knowledge), he was sitting next to at a basketball game. You man up and tell him face to face. Don't be a 'feline' about it. :smirk:
 
Ive watched IP on a range and wondered at the time how this guy pulls it of as a global golfer,he ball strikes like a 5 handicapper and remember the shanks at Augusta a few years back,he must have some game somewhere thou as he got to 5th in the world at one stage.Maybe Poults has shot he's bolt.....
 
He is a streaky player and when he gets hot he has a few good weeks. Not a great ball striker as others have said but he hasn't done badly for someone with limited ability per se. Definitely hasn't got a major in him
 
HomerJSimpson said:
He is a streaky player and when he gets hot he has a few good weeks. Not a great ball striker as others have said but he hasn't done badly for someone with limited ability per se. Definitely hasn't got a major in him
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Just going through a slump. It happens. You definitively can't say he hasn't got a major in him, he's better that Todd Hamilton !!!
 
jimbob.someroo said:
He's just not as consistent as most other pro's out there. He can play the same shots as everybody else, and when it all slots into place for him, can shoot really low numbers. But he just hasn't got the ability to get it round in low enough numbers when he's not playing well.

Him turning pro off four hcp has been well documented, and there's no doubt he would be much lower than that now - but there's guys out there turning pro off +4 etc, and they're the ones who are picking up cheques week in/week out. It takes a stupid amount of hard work and consistency to get to + numbers and it's a given that if you're off + something, you can still put a semi-respectable score together when you're not playing great.

I think this is where the difference between the natural ability guys and those who have drilled in routines and perhaps have to work harder at their games is evident. People like IJP and Bubba play a lot on feel and natural talent, when it's going well, they're on fire and are winning tournaments. However, when it's not, they seem to really struggle. If you look at people like Louis Ooooost / Charl S or even Keegan who are arguably a lot more technical, there's a reason why they're all higher in the world rankings than IJP and Bubba. It's not cos they make more birdies, but they seem to make less mistakes.
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If Poulter was playing the short parkland courses most Assist Pro's play, he'd be playing off +7 or +8. Those amateurs off +3 would struggle to break 80 on the tough PGA Tour courses.

I think you're doing Poulter a big disservice.

Something is up with him, I follow him on Twitter and he's been posting some really weird and agressive stuff.
 
A1ex said:
If Poulter was playing the short parkland courses most Assist Pro's play, he'd be playing off +7 or +8. Those amateurs off +3 would struggle to break 80 on the tough PGA Tour courses.

I think you're doing Poulter a big disservice.

Something is up with him, I follow him on Twitter and he's been posting some really weird and agressive stuff.
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I was more referring to the actual tour pro's who turn pro after college on the American courses off +4 - I've not come across many assistant pro's that got down to that level before working in the shop! The ones that I've known from that level have generally (or are about to) go over to the US to make sure they're ready for the pro ranks proper. There are of course always exceptions to the rule though!

And I'm not sure he would get down to +7/+8, even on normal club courses. I just don't think he's consistent enough, and you'd have to be shooting 62-65 every round to maintain that sort of handicap, which even the top tour pro's would struggle with.

You're right though. Something's definitely up with him at the moment. He is a much better player than his current form is showing and hope that he turns a corner soon. The weird threats/challenges for people to play him for money on twitter can't be helping and I can't help thinking it might help him out to just shut out the rest of the world for a while. Get off t'internet, don't do any interviews and just get the game sorted :)
 
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