I completed golf

pendodave said:
Haha
I would say that there are a lot of sports in the UK that have this characteristic... cricket springs immediately to mind. The sports that don't are the ones where you get injured enough to weed out the really terrible (eg both rugby codes). Not sure that this is a bad thing - playing sport, however badly, is a really life enhancing pursuit.
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This. If we want a more active and healthy (both physically and mentally) population then we want people of all levels of ability taking up and playing sport regularly. Golf is particularly useful as a sport that you can do this further into life. Defining anyone not in the top fraction of 1% of all golfers (which is what scratch or better is) as "bad" isn't a useful or helpful attitude; and I actually find quite unpleasant.

Fair play to OP if he's got to scratch if this is genuine - and it's an interesting enough discussion point even if fictional. Two things I wonder; how can you play every single day when you have a young family (and presumably need to support them). Must have some stuff figured out or be independently wealthy (good for him if so).

On a separate point, OP said
"My 11 year old has been going to this new coach for 4 months and his handicap has went from 45 to 28 and we are just getting started. He will get scratch faster than me and goal with him is +7 and get him on the tv playing golf."
"I now get a buzz going on a Sunday watching my son play competitive golf. Focus is 100% on him now."

that sounds more than a little bit disturbing: telling your (very respectable at golf but nothing exceptional) 11 year old they should be targetting +7 and be on TV! Sounds a bit Richard Williamsish and living your fantasies through your kids Might decide he hates golf in a year or two. At that age should definitely be just enjoy it. This is the bit that makes me hope that this is a wind-up and not genuine.
 
The Squirrel said:
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On a separate point, OP said
"My 11 year old has been going to this new coach for 4 months and his handicap has went from 45 to 28 and we are just getting started. He will get scratch faster than me and goal with him is +7 and get him on the tv playing golf."
"I now get a buzz going on a Sunday watching my son play competitive golf. Focus is 100% on him now."

that sounds more than a little bit disturbing: telling your (very respectable at golf but nothing exceptional) 11 year old they should be targetting +7 and be on TV! Sounds a bit Richard Williamsish and living your fantasies through your kids Might decide he hates golf in a year or two. At that age should definitely be just enjoy it. This is the bit that makes me hope that this is a wind-up and not genuine.
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I'm not sure you can infer that the 11 year old was told that. Loads of kids say they want to be professional sportsmen/women, they may have decided themselves they want to be on TV and then were told to achieve that you need to be +7 and so they themselves set that as their goal. My daughter regularly sets herself goals to push her golf forward, some short term things achievable now, others more longer term aspirations/dreams, nothing particularly unhealthy about it.
 
I suspect it's alot easier for someone to get to scratch, playing 5 times a week, having a weekly lesson and so on than it is for your average office worker, maybe playing twice a week at best and a lesson once a month. So yeah fair play for getting there - but not like the OP has done it the hard way like most of us would have to.
 
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TigerTime said:
I suspect it's alot easier for someone to get to scratch, playing 5 times a week, having a weekly lesson and so on than it is for your average office worker, maybe playing twice a week at best and a lesson once a month. So yeah fair play for getting there - but not like the OP has done it the hard way like most of us would have to.
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From memory he was successful in business early on in his life which has afforded him the time now to live life as he pleases - hence the heavy investment of both time and money.

Nice for some eh! Ill be working till I drop forever dreaming of single digits :ROFLMAO:
 
Golf is fun said:
I'm not sure you can infer that the 11 year old was told that. Loads of kids say they want to be professional sportsmen/women, they may have decided themselves they want to be on TV and then were told to achieve that you need to be +7 and so they themselves set that as their goal. My daughter regularly sets herself goals to push her golf forward, some short term things achievable now, others more longer term aspirations/dreams, nothing particularly unhealthy about it.
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I'd agree that's not unhealthy, in fact it's great, if it's coming from them themselves. Your daughter challenging herself to improve is a very positive mindset to have and very much part of her enjoyment too I'd imagine.

The unhealthy bit is there's none of that in the OP's writing.
"and goal with him is +7 and get him on the tv playing golf". Yes I'm inferring some things, but as written and within context that's very clearly dad's goal for his son, not his son's goal. It's written as "I've done this thing and now I'm going to do this other thing [turn my son into a +7 golfer] next". 'Get him on TV', i.e. an outside agent [Dad] will do that - not for him to get himself on TV. Have a look at the other things written by the OP and the context of the statements - the things about the son are ALL actually about what the father is doing and the father's enjoyment and feelings and nothing about the son - doesn't even mention if the son enjoys playing or his feelings or view on anything! That's completely the opposite of the way you've described your daughter's progress.
 
The Squirrel said:
I'd agree that's not unhealthy, in fact it's great, if it's coming from them themselves. Your daughter challenging herself to improve is a very positive mindset to have and very much part of her enjoyment too I'd imagine.

The unhealthy bit is there's none of that in the OP's writing.
"and goal with him is +7 and get him on the tv playing golf". Yes I'm inferring some things, but as written and within context that's very clearly dad's goal for his son, not his son's goal. It's written as "I've done this thing and now I'm going to do this other thing [turn my son into a +7 golfer] next". 'Get him on TV', i.e. an outside agent [Dad] will do that - not for him to get himself on TV. Have a look at the other things written by the OP and the context of the statements - the things about the son are ALL actually about what the father is doing and the father's enjoyment and feelings and nothing about the son - doesn't even mention if the son enjoys playing or his feelings or view on anything! That's completely the opposite of the way you've described your daughter's progress.
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I'm looking forward to the post in several year's time from a new account, bragging about how we all laughed when he said he'd get his son on TV and now here he is! 😄
 
HPIMG said:
It was 100% down to finding a coach who knows what he’s doing, he saying +3 is my target this year I’ve said no chance but we will see. My 11 year old has been going to this new coach for 4 months and his handicap has went from 45 to 28 and we are just getting started. He will get scratch faster than me and goal with him is +7 and get him on the tv playing golf.
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Well...would his 11yr old have the application, desire, dedication and willingness to sacrifice any social life to get to +7?. And then does he have the head for it?

Well of course he would have...because that's the way of such things...even though the parent hasn't got a scoobies as to where or not he would.
 
The Squirrel said:
I'd agree that's not unhealthy, in fact it's great, if it's coming from them themselves. Your daughter challenging herself to improve is a very positive mindset to have and very much part of her enjoyment too I'd imagine.

The unhealthy bit is there's none of that in the OP's writing.
"and goal with him is +7 and get him on the tv playing golf". Yes I'm inferring some things, but as written and within context that's very clearly dad's goal for his son, not his son's goal. It's written as "I've done this thing and now I'm going to do this other thing [turn my son into a +7 golfer] next". 'Get him on TV', i.e. an outside agent [Dad] will do that - not for him to get himself on TV. Have a look at the other things written by the OP and the context of the statements - the things about the son are ALL actually about what the father is doing and the father's enjoyment and feelings and nothing about the son - doesn't even mention if the son enjoys playing or his feelings or view on anything! That's completely the opposite of the way you've described your daughter's progress.
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It's hard to know whether it's the Dad's or the son's goal. Whilst it's not how I do, or would want to do things, if you look at people like Tiger Woods, the Williams sisters, Max Verstappen and not quite at the same level right now but look at Amari Avery who featured on the short game and is now knocking on the door of the LPGA, you can see why parents might think it's the way to go, even if it is ethically questionable.
If the child makes it like the names above they may see it as a worthwhile sacrifice and be glad their parent(s) pushed them, but if they don't make it they may see it as abusive and a lost childhood.
 
Golf is fun said:
It's hard to know whether it's the Dad's or the son's goal. Whilst it's not how I do, or would want to do things, if you look at people like Tiger Woods, the Williams sisters, Max Verstappen and not quite at the same level right now but look at Amari Avery who featured on the short game and is now knocking on the door of the LPGA, you can see why parents might think it's the way to go, even if it is ethically questionable.
If the child makes it like the names above they may see it as a worthwhile sacrifice and be glad their parent(s) pushed them, but if they don't make it they may see it as abusive and a lost childhood.
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Fair point; it's a very interesting ethical question that do I wonder about. For every famous example of course there will be 1000 on the "scrapheap" where their parents' ambitions didn't get them over the line - I wonder how the parent/child relationship then fares in those circumstances where parental approval has for so long been tied up in sporting performance. I suspect the outcomes for them are very often not good (both parent and child), so yeah, just one of the reasons that most of us would never take that approach.
 
HPIMG said:
I hear this a lot and really don’t agree with it.
Two of my playing partners also play 5 days a week, they play weekends so I only play with them x3 a week and there both horrific at golf. If you are not coordinated no amount of golf or lessons will make you good. Coordination and being athletic are key for golf. In my opinion of course
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Well said
I also think balance is one of the other factors.
Interesting to hear the Wombletown tennis experts heads talking about this recently.
Strange that balance is seldom mentioned in golfing circles.
 
TigerTime said:
I suspect it's alot easier for someone to get to scratch, playing 5 times a week, having a weekly lesson and so on than it is for your average office worker, maybe playing twice a week at best and a lesson once a month. So yeah fair play for getting there - but not like the OP has done it the hard way like most of us would have to.
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It's even easier to get to scratch playing 5 times a week on your own, submitting GP scores and asking your son to attest them :ROFLMAO:
 
evemccc said:
It was simply a light-hearted reference to his calling you ‘Crow-Person’, which I gather you found amusing, and then added it under your name…

That was all 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Was it Mr Ping who called me Crow Person? I didn't remember.

As far as I know, only the mods can change the post-count-title that goes under your name.
 
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