How do H/C reductions work?

[PuttPuttSteve]

Yesterday, playing off 12.9, I shot 4 better than SSS. It wasn't in a competition but my partner signed the card and I'll submit it for handicap assessment.

My question is this: Will I be cut 4 x 0.3 (as 12.9 is Cat 3) or 2 x 0.3 (which would take me to Cat 2) plus a further 2 x 0.2 ?

 

[duncan mackie]

Yesterday, playing off 12.9, I shot 4 better than SSS. It wasn't in a competition but my partner signed the card and I'll submit it for handicap assessment.

My question is this: Will I be cut 4 x 0.3 (as 12.9 is Cat 3) or 2 x 0.3 (which would take me to Cat 2) plus a further 2 x 0.2 ?

If you signed in to a supplemental card before you played then you will go 12.9, 12.6, 12.3, 12.1, 11.9

Assuming no stableford adjustments

If you didn't then nothing at all will happen.

Note - if you did sign in for a supplemental then you are already off 11.9 - that's your responsibility.

 

[rosecott]

As Duncan says, you cannot decide after a good round that the card should be assessed for handicap adjustment - that's not how it works. Would you have been rushing to submit it if you were 10 over SSS? The Supplementary system hinges on deciding before the event that the card will count for handicap and submitting it whether good or bad - a bit like playing in a comp.

Your club is obliged to have a system to ensure that you notify prior to playing the round.

 

[PuttPuttSteve]

If you signed in to a supplemental card before you played then you will go 12.9, 12.6, 12.3, 12.1, 11.9

Assuming no stableford adjustments

If you didn't then nothing at all will happen.

Note - if you did sign in for a supplemental then you are already off 11.9 - that's your responsibility.

Thanks for the clarification Duncan. I played off 12 in today's medal as I suspected I would need to make the adjustment. Won't find out officially for a couple of days.

 

[Matty2803]

Yesterday, playing off 12.9, I shot 4 better than SSS. It wasn't in a competition but my partner signed the card and I'll submit it for handicap assessment.

My question is this: Will I be cut 4 x 0.3 (as 12.9 is Cat 3) or 2 x 0.3 (which would take me to Cat 2) plus a further 2 x 0.2 ?

But you would have to declare supplementary before hand!

 

[PuttPuttSteve]

As Duncan says, you cannot decide after a good round that the card should be assessed for handicap adjustment - that's not how it works. Would you have been rushing to submit it if you were 10 over SSS? The Supplementary system hinges on deciding before the event that the card will count for handicap and submitting it whether good or bad - a bit like playing in a comp.

I didn't realise that, so I've probably wasted my time submitting the card

 

[duncan mackie]

Thanks for the clarification Duncan. I played off 12 in today's medal as I suspected I would need to make the adjustment. Won't find out officially for a couple of days.

If you complied with the supplemental card requirements then officially has already happened; that's how it works.

As Rosecott has highlighted there are no options either way.

Edit - just seen your response that crossed.

You are still off 12.9

Not a complete waste of time because if you subsequently do anything that does give the handicap committee an option they can take it into account (ever so slightly - not really but...)

 

[turkish]

How does this work off the yellow tees?

Put in a supplementary card yesterday- signed in for it before hand and notified then went on to shoot 92... 42 stableford points?

The par remains the same on all holes whether yellow or white but I'm gathering there is some form of adjustment because the tees are the easier ones(about 200 yards shorter)?

 

[BTatHome]

How does this work off the yellow tees?

Put in a supplementary card yesterday- signed in for it before hand and notified then went on to shoot 92... 42 stableford points?

The par remains the same on all holes whether yellow or white but I'm gathering there is some form of adjustment because the tees are the easier ones(about 200 yards shorter)?

There's no adjustment, either your course has measured yellow tees or it doesn't.

Some courses don't have measured yellow tees, so they can't have qualifiers off those tees. You may find that the SSS of the yellow tees is less, but the par remains the same.

 

[pbrown7582]

How does this work off the yellow tees?

Put in a supplementary card yesterday- signed in for it before hand and notified then went on to shoot 92... 42 stableford points?

The par remains the same on all holes whether yellow or white but I'm gathering there is some form of adjustment because the tees are the easier ones(about 200 yards shorter)?

SSS take care of any difference between yellow and white pegs. What's par and SSS for your yellows?

 

[turkish]

I'm not sure tbh- par on both yellow and whites is 70- I think from card SSS from yellows is 69

 

[BTatHome]

I'm not sure tbh- par on both yellow and whites is 70- I think from card SSS from yellows is 69

The important part is whether the course has been measured for qualifying purposes, many courses have only the white tees measured, and simply guess the yellow tees and relevant SSS. If your club plays some qualifiers from the yellows then you'll be good.

 

[turkish]

Yeah they do play some qualifiers from these

 

[Canary_Yellow]

As Duncan says, you cannot decide after a good round that the card should be assessed for handicap adjustment - that's not how it works. Would you have been rushing to submit it if you were 10 over SSS? The Supplementary system hinges on deciding before the event that the card will count for handicap and submitting it whether good or bad - a bit like playing in a comp.

Your club is obliged to have a system to ensure that you notify prior to playing the round.

Although this is of course true, isn't the requirement to notify in advance to stop people only handing in bad cards and not good ones?

Why would it matter if we all had handicaps that were too low? Am I right in thinking I can give myself any handicap I like so long as it's not higher than my actual handicap?

 

[pbrown7582]

I'm not sure tbh- par on both yellow and whites is 70- I think from card SSS from yellows is 69

SSS 69 against par 70 means you were 5 under with your sup are are now cut, how much depends on your handicap catagory. good shooting.

 

[pbrown7582]

Although this is of course true, isn't the requirement to notify in advance to stop people only handing in bad cards and not good ones?

Why would it matter if we all had handicaps that were too low? Am I right in thinking I can give myself any handicap I like so long as it's not higher than my actual handicap?

its also to stop people getting artificially handicap cuts as your handicap is supposed to be in qualifying conditions and we all know what a difference that makes.
Before the changes you could put a general play card in after playing well and get a cut, even just play a few holes and upset h/cap sec used to be enough!

 

[turkish]

Thanks that's what I was thinking 5 under instead of 6 so will cut me 2 strokes.

 

[duncan mackie]

Thanks that's what I was thinking 5 under instead of 6 so will cut me 2 strokes.

Just to be clear, if you are cat 4 and it's 2.0 reduction, you apply it. It's already happened and you have a new handicap. The system will catch up when the cards processed.

 

[turkish]

Thanks Duncan- not scheduled for a comp for a few weeks now anyway

 

[woody69]

As Duncan says, you cannot decide after a good round that the card should be assessed for handicap adjustment - that's not how it works. Would you have been rushing to submit it if you were 10 over SSS? The Supplementary system hinges on deciding before the event that the card will count for handicap and submitting it whether good or bad - a bit like playing in a comp.

Your club is obliged to have a system to ensure that you notify prior to playing the round.

Whilst this is of course true, I know my club doesn't. I know people that have stated they want to use a card as a supplementary and had a bad round, so not submitted and likewise had a good round and said after the fact they will put it in as a supplementary. I wonder how many other clubs are the same.