How confident are you from 50 yds?

[HawkeyeMS]

How is it outperforming the pros? Nobody has claimed they average better than 6-8 feet on this thread have they?

Not in so many words but if someone is getting 4 out of 10 inside 6ft, I'd expect the average to be somewhere around 6-8 and the basis that if you can hit 4 shots that consistently and accurate from 50yds, the others aren't going to be a million miles away.

You yourself said you expect 2 inside 6ft and the rest within 15-20ft. If I give you 2 at 3ft, 4 at 15 and 4 @ 20 your average is better than a certain Tiger Woods.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You are 50yds from the flag on a flat hole with a flat green with plenty of green to work with.
The green is neither firm nor soft and there is no wind/bunkers/trees/ponds etc to contend with.
How many balls out of 10 would you expect to get within 6ft ?

Well for a start, given the scenario the ball would not go high - I'd bump and run with either my 7i or PW - can't say which I'd start with but I can easy switch if it does't feel right. As I don't 'measure' precise yardages around this sort or range I don't really know my success rate - but I'm thinking I should have a 50-75% success rate to get a ball in a bucket 12ft across. 50% on a not so good day.

 

[Fish]

Not in so many words but if someone is getting 4 out of 10 inside 6ft, I'd expect the average to be somewhere around 6-8 and the basis that if you can hit 4 shots that consistently and accurate from 50yds, the others aren't going to be a million miles away.

You yourself said you expect 2 inside 6ft and the rest within 15-20ft. If I give you 2 at 3ft, 4 at 15 and 4 @ 20 your average is better than a certain Tiger Woods.

I think you have to remove this assimilation as the way we would strike the ball and have it either just stop or roll up is a million miles away from how a pro would approach it where we see excessive spin back and the ball going away at speed from the hole.

 

[bladeplayer]

Expect ? ha ha oh gosh let me see

expectation 8 out of 10 ..

Hope 5 out of 10

reality 2 out of 10 with 6 others makable and 2 probably short of the green because i got too smart with the shot

 

[One Planer]

If I leave the ball 50 yards from the green, then I have made a mistake somewhere

If I can I like to leave between 70-110 yards as this is a full shot with one of my wedges

Im not bad from 20 yards out, prefer a little chip n run, but can do the flop if need to get over a bunker or if Imurg is lying down and creating a hazard

I played Wychwood Park last Friay and found myself in a position like this.

Going up the 18 (par 5) Hit a good drive, decided to go for it in 2. Checked my yardage on the course shot saver and did my best to allow for the hole playing up hill (Best guess), Pulled a 2 hybrid and hit it to here:

Ok, granted it's not 50 yrds away, but you see my point. You could easily mis-judge wind, elevation or not even get it out of the screws and come up short. I dosee yor point though.

As for High handicappers vs low handicapper short game.

I have no doubt that some high handicapper can have an effective shortgame. All I would say on the subject is that while yes, I agree that a high handicapper can knock the ball close, the lower handicap player will knock it closer more consistently.

 

[Pin-seeker]

From 50yrd I'm happy to av putter in my hand for next shot.

 

[cookelad]

Well for a start, given the scenario the ball would not go high - I'd bump and run with either my 7i or PW - can't say which I'd start with but I can easy switch if it does't feel right. As I don't 'measure' precise yardages around this sort or range I don't really know my success rate - but I'm thinking I should have a 50-75% success rate to get a ball in a bucket 12ft across. 50% on a not so good day.

Finally!!! 5 pages before someone plays a percentage shot! (and to be fair I'd have put money on it being one of three people!)

I'd have either my 8 or 9 iron out, keep it low and get it to run up to the hole! I'm not saying they'd all be stiff or even within 6 feet but I'd be confident of getting them inside 15!

 

[Birchy]

Not in so many words but if someone is getting 4 out of 10 inside 6ft, I'd expect the average to be somewhere around 6-8 and the basis that if you can hit 4 shots that consistently and accurate from 50yds, the others aren't going to be a million miles away.

You yourself said you expect 2 inside 6ft and the rest within 15-20ft. If I give you 2 at 3ft, 4 at 15 and 4 @ 20 your average is better than a certain Tiger Woods.

I said inside as in getting to 6ft really, hard to predict closer and on the situation in the OP I stand by my prediction.

Woods is playing a totally different 50 yards though. Put him on the one in the OP and I would back him to get nearly all within 6ft. The stats produced for the pros are totally irrelevant to this as they will all be from totally different situations i.e thick rough to tight pins etc.

 

[Birchy]

Well for a start, given the scenario the ball would not go high - I'd bump and run with either my 7i or PW - can't say which I'd start with but I can easy switch if it does't feel right. As I don't 'measure' precise yardages around this sort or range I don't really know my success rate - but I'm thinking I should have a 50-75% success rate to get a ball in a bucket 12ft across. 50% on a not so good day.

Brilliant, somebody seems to be on my sort of wavelength. :thup:

 

[Fish]

I think I will arrange a meet at Nailcote Hall, the British Par 3 Championship Course where all the holes, other than 1, are under 100 yards. I play and practice their regularly and its a great place to home in your short game but unlike the OP's description, its got lots of water, bunkers, tree's and much more to contend with

I'll save this topic so we can refer back to it, should or could be interesting.

 

[Deleted member 17920]

Because you'd have weaknesses in another part of your game :mmm:

I find it ignorant TBH that cat2 or 3 players cannot accept that a higher handicapper can't have a better short game than them!

I've found that playing with a lot cat2 & 3 players who are long hitters both off the tee and with hybrids/long irons they have a poor short game, otherwise their handicap would be much lower, wouldn't it!

A high handicapper predominantly always struggles off the tee in his/her playing days and usually by definition then has a decent short game, after-all, thats what keeps them in the game and dangerous! Why shouldn't it be then that a higher handicapper can feel more confident at this distance in the OP's description?

If I stood their like some of you are saying knowing you'll ever only get 2 close, if that, then you'll only ever still get 2 close for the foregoing future, where-as I'll be thinking otherwise and come away with the hole :ears:

I do agree that the majority of high handicappers have a better short game than I do. I know I only score better over a round because I have less blow up holes. My strengths are a good drive and just missing the green and getting up and down from the edge. Put me from 40-60 yards where I don't have a full shot and its pot luck to where its going to go. I practise regularly from 30-70 yards on the practise ground but cant seem to transfer it on to the golf course.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Because you'd have weaknesses in another part of your game :mmm:

I find it ignorant TBH that cat2 or 3 players cannot accept that a higher handicapper can't have a better short game than them!

I've found that playing with a lot cat2 & 3 players who are long hitters both off the tee and with hybrids/long irons they have a poor short game, otherwise their handicap would be much lower, wouldn't it!

A high handicapper predominantly always struggles off the tee in his/her playing days and usually by definition then has a decent short game, after-all, thats what keeps them in the game and dangerous! Why shouldn't it be then that a higher handicapper can feel more confident at this distance in the OP's description?

If I stood their like some of you are saying knowing you'll ever only get 2 close, if that, then you'll only ever still get 2 close for the foregoing future, where-as I'll be thinking otherwise and come away with the hole :ears:

So if all these high h'cappers have such good short games and regularly get the ball inside 6ft from 50yds, why are most of them still taking 35 putts a round.

I have no doubt at all that some high h'cappers have a better short game than me, but I doubt it is as good as they think it is.

 

[Fish]

So if all these high h'cappers have such good short games and regularly get the ball inside 6ft from 50yds, why are most of them still taking 35 putts a round.

I have no doubt at all that some high h'cappers have a better short game than me, but I doubt it is as good as they think it is.

I'm not saying "all" as some high handicappers may well be good off the tee but poor around the greens, its the generalisation that I didn't agree with that, all mid/high handicappers "couldn't" get it within the OP's perimeter!

Also, they may be cr@p at putting, but that's not the question is it? My putting average is 1.73 per round currently over the season and I'm still working on it as I still miss some I shouldn't. The reason its where it is, is, because I chip close on my approach shots.

We all have different strengths and weaknesses in our games but I think its dismissive to assume that high handicappers cannot chip in close with whatever way/club they choose closer than a Cat2 or 3 player, that's all.

 

[Andy808]

Probably 3 or 4. This is the strongest part of my game, it's getting the ball into this range that I struggle with!

 

[Matty]

For me it depends on the lie of the ball. The OP says I'm 50yards from the green but is that on the fairway and with a good lie?

With a good lie I'd probably bump and run if there was a clear path to the green and maybe get 3/10 inside 6 feet from that distance. 8/10 would make the green.

If there were obstacles that precluded a bump and run it'd be a higher risk pitch shot with maybe 1/10 getting inside 6 feet. 6 would make the green and 4 would be over or under hit or possibly end up wide of the target.

For considering that I know I'm working on the right area by focussing on my short game now my new driver is getting me straight off the tees on the longer holes.

 

[Robobum]

This is one for the MikeH for a day thread. A test needs to be set up.

6'!!!!! Come on fellas.

 

[garyinderry]

im loving how many are saying il just bump and run it up here with this 7 iron.

so easy to say in practice. much harder to do in real life. its so easy to slightly over/under hit this shot!

 

[Whee]

If I were to take 10 practise shots to a pin from 50 yards, i'd hope to get 3 or 4 within 6 foot.

The dispersion on the rest would be comical i'd have thought!

3 or 4 might look ambitious for a 19 capper, but think about it.

You've got 10 balls lined up, your first one is a little swing with the PW, get it on to the green and get it rolling. You should be closer with each ball. All trial and error, you'll know if you need a touch more or less after the first two balls.

Obviously got to account for the shank, and the thinned ball that's skipped across the green and out the back, but 8 balls on the green no less.

Maybe 3 or 4 within 6 feet is ambitious, but i'd certainly want a couple of shortish putts after having 10 goes at the same shot.

 

[SGC001]

This is one for the MikeH for a day thread. A test needs to be set up.

6'!!!!! Come on fellas.

Pelz has one as part of his short game tests one is for a 50 yard wedge.

The scoring goes (and is based upon the likelehoddof holing the next putt)
hole it 4 points
under 3ft 2 points
3-6 foot 1 point
over 6 ft 0 points

9-12 points tour (tour average = 10 points)
8-9 3-0 handicap
6-8 3-8 handicap
4-6 15-8 handicap
2-4 25-15 handicap
0-2 25+ handicap

note these are how he rates your short game not your overall handicap.

3 inside 3 foot and 2 between 3 and 6 would give 8 points and a 3-0 handicap rating on his scoring system.

 

[garyinderry]

shot 1 - (PW) underhit
shot 2 - (7i) out the back
shot 3 - (7i) whoops pulled it a bit
shot 4- (PW) feeling the pressure and just miss target
shot 5 - (PW) on the money inside 4ft.
shot 6 - (PW) just do that again, whoops pulled it again
shot 7 - (7i) damm im running out of goes, close but 7 ft isn't close enough
shot 8 - (7i) straight at the pin but whoops ive over hit it
shot 9 - (PW) sweating here, on the money again. 2 in :lol:
shot 10 - (7i) slight pull and misses the target by a foot.

realistic look at what may happen from 50 yards over 10 goes.