How Accurate is it really?

[griffgolf]

If custom fitting readings for irons are taken of you whilst hitting directly off a synthetic surface and using range balls, how can the readings be the correct ones for you when we play golf off a grass surface and use proper golf balls?

Surely the readings for spin,dispertion and club head speed etc will be different and thus make a difference to how you hit the ball on the course?

Anyone know for sure?

 

[brendy]

I have only ever seen cf places use proper balls to be honest. I find us amateurs an even bigger variable when it comes to consistency.

 

[griffgolf]

87 views and only 1 reply which did not really answer my question.

I suspect that what I thought is true that carrying out a custom fitting on a range is not a true reflection as carrying out a custom fitting on grass with the type of golf balls we would use in play on the course or am I wrong?

 

[madandra]

There was a guy at Shotts who was off +2 and got CF'd at Mizuno in Cumbernauld and after 3 weeks trying to hit the new irons decided that due to being a divot taker he was fitted with the wrong lie as he was struggling to get the ball up.

 

[JustOne]

It depends who set up the machine and how it's callibrated.

When I went to a demo day once the guy told me that he hit some range balls and could determine the settings because he knew how far he hits a 'normal' golf ball and his (approx) spin rates. So he hits some balls and compares then to what his 'usual figures' are and adjusts accordingly.

 

[griffgolf]

It depends who set up the machine and how it's callibrated.

When I went to a demo day once the guy told me that he hit some range balls and could determine the settings because he knew how far he hits a 'normal' golf ball and his (approx) spin rates. So he hits some balls and compares then to what his 'usual figures' are and adjusts accordingly.

Ok , but how would he know how I hit a ball....still guess work if you ask me.

If you hit a ball off grass and record it all, no guessing or adjusting required...totally accurate.

 

[JustOne]

Ok , but how would he know how I hit a ball....still guess work if you ask me.

Yep. Even if you hit the ball well you won't really know your dispersion/shot shape until you hit proper balls. You might be able to draw a range ball but not do it with a normal ball. The device should be able to give you an idea of what is going on in your swing (path/attack angle etc) but after that it's guess work

 

[griffgolf]

Ok , but how would he know how I hit a ball....still guess work if you ask me.

Yep. Even if you hit the ball well you won't really know your dispersion/shot shape until you hit proper balls. You might be able to draw a range ball but not do it with a normal ball. The device should be able to give you an idea of what is going on in your swing (path/attack angle etc) but after that it's guess work

This is all bringing me to the conclusion that all this custom fitting lark is a total load of bollocks as it is not carried out correctly and in a fashion is engineered to take your money off you

IMHO custom fittings should only be performed under the conditions in which we play golf....on grass, use every day golf balls and all recorded with the abudance of technology easily available.

 

[JustOne]

I agree.

 

[Imurg]

At my Mizzy fitting the mats used were slightly "fluffy" so the ball settled a touch to create a similar lie to the fairway. I also used decent quality practice balls(Srixon I think) not range balls so I can be fairly sure my fitting was as accurate as it can be.
Playing off a short-pile mat can't give very accurate results I wouldn't have thought.

 

[Alex1975]

Wow Griff, calm yourself down, it is a set of data like any other set of data. If you were custom fitting yourself it may be a problem but you are paying someone whos job it is to know what to do with the set of data. If you have read any custom fit posts or been fitted you will know they will ask you to hit your current clubs first to gain a baseline. The swing DNA that most fitters use, Mizuno and other is best used from a short tee peg and it done over 3 good swings. After that you will try as many shafts as it takes until your data is where it should be (spin and so on) then you talk about feel.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I'm not quite sure about the total condemnation of custom fitting and I think it depends where you go. I know a lot of guys on here have been fitted and many think it was the best thing they did. Personally I don't think it really matters whether you hit a range ball or proper one in terms of testing a shaft and certainly for getting fitted for things like lie angles. I don't even think disersion will alter greatly. If you hit a bad shot at the range it is still a bad shot. As for distance why is everyone obsessed with it. If you hit your current 7 iron 150 yards and get C/F and hit it 145 but straighter more often where's the problem?

I've been fitted and bought off the shelf and I can see pros and cons to both options. I do think next time I get a set of irons though I want to look at different shaft options. Although my swing speed has always been regular irrespective of which manufacturer I try or where I have it tested I'm not convinced the DGR300 are necessarily the best one for me.

 

[Losttheplot]

I think the custom fit procedure does do some difference but not a huge difference.
If you are need a change from a standard lie angle to 4* upright then you will notice the difference.

The custom fit (I think) for us amateurs just gives us a slightly better chance of a better contact with the ball. For a pro I think it would be essential but with an amateurs amount of inconsistencies in swing and ball contact it will only 'improve' the ball contact fractionally.

But like I mentioned earlier I think you would notice a custom fit if you needed massive changes to the set up of your irons.

 

[Alex1975]

This is all bringing me to the conclusion that all this custom fitting lark is a total load of bollocks as it is not carried out correctly and in a fashion is engineered to take your money off you

IMHO custom fittings should only be performed under the conditions in which we play golf....on grass, use every day golf balls and all recorded with the abudance of technology easily available.

What a load of rubbish, did you wake up on the wrong side of bed and just want a rank on something you clearly have no idea about?

 

[griffgolf]

Wow Griff, calm yourself down, it is a set of data like any other set of data. If you were custom fitting yourself it may be a problem but you are paying someone whos job it is to know what to do with the set of data. If you have read any custom fit posts or been fitted you will know they will ask you to hit your current clubs first to gain a baseline. The swing DNA that most fitters use, Mizuno and other is best used from a short tee peg and it done over 3 good swings. After that you will try as many shafts as it takes until your data is where it should be (spin and so on) then you talk about feel.

Only want what I pay for

 

[griffgolf]

This is all bringing me to the conclusion that all this custom fitting lark is a total load of bollocks as it is not carried out correctly and in a fashion is engineered to take your money off you

IMHO custom fittings should only be performed under the conditions in which we play golf....on grass, use every day golf balls and all recorded with the abudance of technology easily available.

What a load of rubbish, did you wake up on the wrong side of bed and just want a rank on something you clearly have no idea about?

Alex you are talking shite mate.

I do know what I am talking about and I think this is a constructive question even if you dont.

 

[Alex1975]

Wow Griff, calm yourself down, it is a set of data like any other set of data. If you were custom fitting yourself it may be a problem but you are paying someone whos job it is to know what to do with the set of data. If you have read any custom fit posts or been fitted you will know they will ask you to hit your current clubs first to gain a baseline. The swing DNA that most fitters use, Mizuno and other is best used from a short tee peg and it done over 3 good swings. After that you will try as many shafts as it takes until your data is where it should be (spin and so on) then you talk about feel.

Only want what I pay for

What?

 

[Ethan]

It would obviously be nice to be custom fitted using Pro V1x on a beautifully prepared surface, but that objection to conditions and equipment at least in part misses the point.

A lot of the analysis during custom fitting is based on how well you deliver the club to the ball, and if the machine determines you have a very slow clubhead speed, steep angle of attack and leave the face wide open, then it doesn't really matter if you were aiming at a Brussels sprout sitting on a pice of astroturf or a Pro V1x on a tee at Augusta National - you now know a lot more about what is suitable than you did before.

But if you don't think it is a good idea, don't do it. Wander into AG and have the guy look at you and declare "you look like a regular flex, one degree flat, mate". I bet they will have whatever he thinks is most suitable in stock. Or should that be the other way round?

 

[griffgolf]

Alex,

In simple terms please tell me how a set of custom fitting results taken from hitting range balls off a synthetic surface can produce the exact same custom fitting results as hitting your regular golf ball off grass?

If you can do this I will gladly pass it on.

 

[surefire]

I agree with Griff here.

I don't think the condemnation is of custom fitting, but how many places do it.

If the fitting was carried out on grass, you might expect different results to the conditions commonly found at fitting centres. The way a club interacts with a mat, is not the same as how it interacts with turf.