need_my_wedge
Has Now Found His Wedgie
I can agree with that
Maybe I was just a little carried away in how much better the 12 degree performed than I expected, not ballooning up in the air and falling shorter.
Higher Loft Drivers really do add distance..
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I can agree with that
Maybe I was just a little carried away in how much better the 12 degree performed than I expected, not ballooning up in the air and falling shorter.
need_my_wedge
Has Now Found His Wedgie
Was playing in quite a cold heavy wind yesterday afternoon and was surprised how well the ball travelled into the wind with such a high flight.
Ethan
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As far as the basic experiment is concerned, I think there may be too many variables to be sure. Different head models (within the same brand, admittedly), different shafts.
But in general, I think the premise is reasonable. Up to a point. The idea is to optimise trajectory, and these days a higher flattish flight is in vogue and most amateurs probably would do better with more loft. But if you went to a 20 degree driver, you would lose distance for sure, so there is a limit.
Dustin Johnson and other Taylor Made payers may mislead slightly as the SLDR driver is designed to need more loft than other comparable drivers. Still, some other non-TM platers use pretty lofted drivers. Nick Watney uses a 11.5 and Lee Westwood used to use a 11 degree although has recently switched back to a lower one.
But in general, I think the premise is reasonable. Up to a point. The idea is to optimise trajectory, and these days a higher flattish flight is in vogue and most amateurs probably would do better with more loft. But if you went to a 20 degree driver, you would lose distance for sure, so there is a limit.
Dustin Johnson and other Taylor Made payers may mislead slightly as the SLDR driver is designed to need more loft than other comparable drivers. Still, some other non-TM platers use pretty lofted drivers. Nick Watney uses a 11.5 and Lee Westwood used to use a 11 degree although has recently switched back to a lower one.
pokerjoke
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Have not read the whole thread.
I have just change to an 11 degree and I have definitely got extra distance than the 9.5 I was
comparing it too.
I was watching a trackman fitting with Ian Poulter the other day,the fitter was saying he
was hitting it between -1 and +1 degrees,he also said some players are as much as +5.
So would this also not apply to us amateurs?
Even someone with an 8.5 degree could actually be making it 13.5
I have just change to an 11 degree and I have definitely got extra distance than the 9.5 I was
comparing it too.
I was watching a trackman fitting with Ian Poulter the other day,the fitter was saying he
was hitting it between -1 and +1 degrees,he also said some players are as much as +5.
So would this also not apply to us amateurs?
Even someone with an 8.5 degree could actually be making it 13.5
Pin-seeker
Well-known member
Seems to me that Homers custom fit was a complete waste of time. Tweeted every man & his dog telling them about his fit,mentioned it on here once or twice
And as done nothing but complain about the irons ever since. & to top it off he's altering his driver:rofl:
Hope he switches to the i20s/25s with less fuss.
In_The_Rough
Tour Winner
I agree a complete waste of his and the fitters time. Why go to have a fitting done and then talk about dumping the irons and then mess about tinkering with the loft. Seems absolutely crazy to me
Ethan
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One of the US mags had an article on the AoA and basically said that the longest hitters have a + angle, so they hit upwards. Bubba is at +5. But this also introduces I accuracy. Some other players have a strong negative angle which tends to sacrifice distance but improve control. Charles Howell is one of the most negative angle players. That us fine if you gave CH3's club head speed but doesn't work so well for the average 17 handicapper.
The highest + AiA players can afford to drop a degree or two in loft but the strong negatives have less margin for error.
MadAdey
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That's a very good point you are making Ethan. Going on what you are saying then at impact someone with a higher lofted driver could actually striking it with less loft than someone with a stronger loft. So if someone on here has a 12* driver and hits at a -3 angle then they could actually be striking the ball with less loft than someone with a 9* with +1 angle.
pokerjoke
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Exactly what I was getting at.
macca64
Q-School Graduate
My g20 is 9.5 and I hit that to high,don't think I dare go higher
NorfolkShaun
Journeyman Pro
When I got fitted for mine I hit the 11.5 15 yards further than the 10.5. Have to say I do have a lower than average flight
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
Seems to me that Homers custom fit was a complete waste of time. Tweeted every man & his dog telling them about his fit,mentioned it on here once or twice
And as done nothing but complain about the irons ever since. & to top it off he's altering his driver:rofl:
Hope he switches to the i20s/25s with less fuss.
As I have said and you have chosen to ignore (not the first thread and a pattern of selective understanding emerging) I thought at the time it was the right move to go back to a more GI style as my swing was in a state of flux. In hindsight it probably wasn't the right move ONLY in terms of aesthetics. The truth is I hit the G25 irons well enough but I absolutely hate the look of the short irons from 7 downwards. It is a problem that is becoming worse over time.
As for altering my driver. I am going from 10 to 10.5 degrees. Hardly radical but there again it gives you something to pick on again. Nothing changes and to be honest your interest in what I am doing seems rather unhealthy. Sorry but your not my type :ears:
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Get those irons changed soon then.
It's clear you just aren't going to get on with them. Get some bats that you are happy with when you line up to take a shot.
Pin-seeker
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need_my_wedge
Has Now Found His Wedgie
I don't get the how it looks when I address the ball issue myself. It's a club in my hands, I line it up and try to hit the ball. I don't recall ever spending time looking at how the shape of the club lies, just that the face is square at address and off I go, no time for any other thoughts.
I'll take your G25 irons for £100 if you really want to give them up
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Ethan
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Yeah, it isn't really the loft of the driver per se that matters, but the launch angle that the combination of loft, AoA and other factors including club head speed and consistency of contact combine to give.
It has been known for years that many higher handicappers or players with slower swing speeds will hit the ball as far with a 3 wood, and probably straighter too.
MadAdey
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So many variables with a driver. I got advised in the summer to change from an ALdila NV-85s (stiff) to something like a medium weight Fubuki X-Stiff as it would help me have more control and gain consistency so I did. I did have my driver turned down to 7.5, now it is up at 10. But that is due to now having a shaft that launches the ball lower. Confusing stuff getting a driver set up perfectly for someone.
HawkeyeMS
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At my fitting I tried all sorts of combinations and ended up with the combination I have to keep the spin down. The theory as far as I remember being that lower flight and less spin would give more roll and therefore distance.
I'm sure for some more loft helps but there are as many others for which it doesn't. I'm no expert but I would imagine there are many variables unique to each of us that would either mean more loft is good or bad, for me it was bad.
I'm sure for some more loft helps but there are as many others for which it doesn't. I'm no expert but I would imagine there are many variables unique to each of us that would either mean more loft is good or bad, for me it was bad.
Foxholer
Blackballed
This seems to directly contradict your previous posts.
While shaft does have an effect, it's normally Loft of head that affects Launch Angle more - along with AofA
Im inclined to agree Ethan and not just 3 wood. Highlighted to me during our 3 club comp over Christmas. I took a 20 deg Hybrid and hit that as far as some of my drives the day before
