full_throttle
Tour Winner
can the committee do anything about members who purposely n/r to gain 0.1 on their handicap.
handicap proctetors
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duncan mackie
Money List Winner
yes - lots.
what's the context?
are you suggesting that they have competed the round but decided to NR rather than submit a card that would get them cut but not win the competition?
what's the context?
are you suggesting that they have competed the round but decided to NR rather than submit a card that would get them cut but not win the competition?
beggsy
Journeyman Pro
Either not handing in a card or nr for that sole purpose is cheating wether it's a cut or up 0.1 in my eyes
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
you go up anyway; hard to see how you can be 'cheating' to achieve nothing.......
SGC001
Challenge Tour Pro
I don't share some of the other peoples optimism.
If someone wants to manipulate their handicap there's pretty much nothing a committee can do.
All a player has to do is hit an extra club into a back pin chip to 6 foot instead of 3 and then miss it. To all intents and purposes their playing partners may never even know.
It's easy for players to sandbag and if their qualifying scores represent this performance you can't really do a lot about their better ball, matchplay and non qualifying results.
At clubs you may know of people who do well in team events and struggle with a card in their hand, their may be people who also tend to do well in match play due to how they tend to arrive at their handicap (strengths and weaknesses). Some people can also travel well because of the vagaries of sss and course difficulty / condition matching up against the strengths and weaknesses of their game and some will be improving golfers.
Unfortunately most people will know someone who they feel can play below their handicap when they need to.
RobRob
Assistant Pro
If they dont hand in a card they shouldnt get .1 back as they havent completed there entry???? plus I know if you dont hand your card in you can be banned for 3 comps
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
the handicap rules say you do - otherwise all the cat 1 players would NR if they were outside their buffer! (TIC
)how your club runs it's competitions with regard to players failing to make a return is relevant to your club. Other's will have different practices but they can't decide what to do about handicaps (CONGU), or competition scores (Golf Rules)
DaveyG
Challenge Tour Pro
Then you have the opposite too where someone can just give up after a few holes and not take the .1 punishment. But in this context I hear what you are saying.
As if someone would actually Nr/play badly to increase .1 each time. Surely at any club you could only get 2 full shots back in a year at any club and I would be surprised if you could play in that many
I think it is outright cheating when guys protect their handicap, especially when it is to maintain eligibility to play in inter club competitions. Over here the Ulster Cup is probably the worst for it. Fellas who drop into single figures cannot play in it so hover around the 11 mark. Then during the matchplay see them shooting just a couple over through their games, consistently.
Part of the problem is that 7, 8 and 9 handicapper have very little in the way of competitions so is in a way, a no mans land.
Part of the problem is that 7, 8 and 9 handicapper have very little in the way of competitions so is in a way, a no mans land.
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HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
Wrong, once they have entered the comp, that's it, if they NR they go up 0.1, just how it should be
Foxholer
Blackballed
I've seen some very suspicious results that would affect participation in The Pearson Trophy - a Ladies comp in Southern England with min handicap of 13. Disappointing to memory of Pearson as she was a major figure in the handicap system!
Ans a Cat 1 player can manage their level quite well. I knew a husband and wife team who won quite a few lucrative trips in mixed golf a while ago with some 'excellent ham and egg-ing'!
Simbo
Tour Rookie
Agreed!! I thought you went up .1 the minute you n/r
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
Not strictly true, technically if you NR and finish the round you have a chance of a cut, buffer or go up
beggsy
Journeyman Pro
You don't want to put money on that as I know a few clubs that don't up hcp if cards don't go in
Foxholer
Blackballed
They shouldn't be allowed to allocate and maintain Congu Handicaps then - as they are not complying with the requirements!
beggsy
Journeyman Pro
I totally agree with you foxholes any name on start sheet if a card not returned its a DQ an .1 back simple but some don't
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
Actually, I am going to clarify this. In a medal, if you NR one hole but play out the rest, you can still be in the buffer or cut if you play the rest of the holes well enough.
My original comment was meant to reflect those who NR and then either don't complete their card or return it but wasn't very well written
chrisd
Major Champion
There are exceptions. If you n/r through injury or ill health clubs are not supposed to process the card I found out a while back from the EGU.
Shiny
Head Pro
Our place has just brought in a full NR without a medical reason earns you a 1 comp disqualification.
This was due to around 15% of the field entering NR's at a previous comp.
This was due to around 15% of the field entering NR's at a previous comp.
Foxholer
Blackballed
Stupid idea imo! Committee knee-jerk!
They should examine why there was 15% NR.
An explain exactly what is bad about NR-ing. It doesn't affect anyone but the person who NR-ed
I've only NR-ed twice, but don't see a problem with it if a card has been wrecked. At least the rest of the round can be enjoyed - without having the reminder every hole of the wreckage!
