Robobum
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I've never heard of it either.
Handicap frustration
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I've never heard of it either.
bobmac
Major Champion
Didn't Mono17 have one.?
Maybe it's a scouse thing?
Maybe it's a scouse thing?
The_LHC
Head Pro
You're not kidding, I mentioned recently a player partner who put three cards in for his handicap, two around 100, one of 90 (par 71, SSS 70), what handicap was he given? 28!
Now there's not a lot he can do about that, he has to play with what he's been given but I wouldn't have wanted to be in his shoes when the rest of the members saw his score on the sheet for last weekend's stableford, gross 86, for 49 points. Hopefully, for his sake at least, he'll get cut quickly and hard (I don't know if it was a qualifying comp, should have been) but even if he comes down to 24 he'll still be winning a lot until they cut him further.
One of the stupidest handicap decisions I've seen.
We had a young lad at our place a couple of years ago who was shooting the lights out every week - and I mean every week.
He was playing off around 17 at the time, and in our roll up on a Saturday morning he was regularly coming in with 45 points plus. In Winter League him and his dad, off 3/4 better ball, AVERAGED 45 points over 5 rounds, mainly down to the lad.
In qualifiers he was performing well and getting cut a few points here and there, but the reduction simply wasn't keeping pace with his improvement.
The annoying thing was that our then handicap chairman was one of the regular members of our roll up, so saw each and every week how this lad was playing. "I can't cut him" was his regular reply when we asked what he was doing about it. "There's no such thing as a general play revision any more."
We mentioned to him times that he could still make a reduction if he had evidence that a player's standard of play was not reflected in that player's handicap, but for months this went on.
Eventually the axe was wielded after the lad won a monthly stableford with 48 points. His prize? In addition to a voucher for the shop he had to absorb a SEVEN shot reduction in his handicap in one go. I kid you not.
If that isn't a handicap chairman who is patently not up to the job, then I don't know what is.
He was playing off around 17 at the time, and in our roll up on a Saturday morning he was regularly coming in with 45 points plus. In Winter League him and his dad, off 3/4 better ball, AVERAGED 45 points over 5 rounds, mainly down to the lad.
In qualifiers he was performing well and getting cut a few points here and there, but the reduction simply wasn't keeping pace with his improvement.
The annoying thing was that our then handicap chairman was one of the regular members of our roll up, so saw each and every week how this lad was playing. "I can't cut him" was his regular reply when we asked what he was doing about it. "There's no such thing as a general play revision any more."
We mentioned to him times that he could still make a reduction if he had evidence that a player's standard of play was not reflected in that player's handicap, but for months this went on.
Eventually the axe was wielded after the lad won a monthly stableford with 48 points. His prize? In addition to a voucher for the shop he had to absorb a SEVEN shot reduction in his handicap in one go. I kid you not.
If that isn't a handicap chairman who is patently not up to the job, then I don't know what is.
Parmo
Tour Winner
We have a family team at our club who nearly always win the ballman team events but win nothing on singles, the club comp cut them all a shot. Job done.
28 handicapper wins comp after some blatent bandit golfing, rule 19 handicap cut by 3 shots at start of season. Job done.
28 handicapper wins comp after some blatent bandit golfing, rule 19 handicap cut by 3 shots at start of season. Job done.
Never heard of winter handicaps either. Its either a qualifier or not depending on temp greens.
MashieNiblick
Tour Winner
Re Winter Handicaps
Been all over the CONGU and EGU sites and can't see any mention of this. There are provisions for having qualifying competitions when there are mats, or winter rules in play and not having comps that are for reductions only, but nowt as far as I can see about players having a seperate handicap during the winter rule period.
In response to the OP I prefer the system where h/c is based on scores in proper comps. That's an objective measure. Giving more leeway to h/c secs won't result in fairer handicaps as it's too subjective (as above posts show). Clubs should, as mentioned above, do more to ensure that winter comps meet qualifying requirements and not have so many "non-qualifiers".
Been all over the CONGU and EGU sites and can't see any mention of this. There are provisions for having qualifying competitions when there are mats, or winter rules in play and not having comps that are for reductions only, but nowt as far as I can see about players having a seperate handicap during the winter rule period.
In response to the OP I prefer the system where h/c is based on scores in proper comps. That's an objective measure. Giving more leeway to h/c secs won't result in fairer handicaps as it's too subjective (as above posts show). Clubs should, as mentioned above, do more to ensure that winter comps meet qualifying requirements and not have so many "non-qualifiers".
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
Yes you have!!
Mono used to have one didn't he????
Golfmmad
Tour Winner
Isn't it a case of if your club does not have qualifying comps in the winter because of temp greens/shortened course? To keep the interest going have a "Winter" handicap during this time and then revert back to normal handicap at start of season.
Nothing to do with Congu rulings, just something done by individual clubs.
Golfmmad.
Nothing to do with Congu rulings, just something done by individual clubs.
Golfmmad.
