Handicap/Comps Committee

[HawkeyeMS]

I'm actually confused....you signed for a 5 under the Rules of Golf so surely it's a 5 whatever anyone says?!

The rules of competition and the rules of handicapping aren't the same thing. The basic premise is that if a higher score is recorded than should have been then handicaps should be adjusted on the correct score once it is identified, This has nothing to do with the result of the competition.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

I believe that scores can be corrected for mistakes by the Committee, but not the player.

So no penalties under the RoG should be applied under CONGU? Where do you draw the line? Rules are Rules.......

Clause 17 note 2 of the CONGU handbook states...

"For handicap adjustment and record purposes the entry of an incorrect score on any hole or an
incorrect handicap must be corrected. Where no handicap is recorded the correct Playing
Handicap must be applied."

This was ignored by my club, this is nothing to do with the RoG and the RoG are not under discussion in this thread

 

[Imurg]

Mmm..must have missed this when it happened.
Surprising but I can see the reasoning behind it.
Your handicap is based on the actual score you made, the Comp is based on the score you record....
Are you still chasing it Mike?

 

[delc]

This happened to me. I actually scored 37 points, but signed for a 5 for 3 at the 18th hole when I had actually scored 4 for 3. This was corrected by our competition/handicap secretary to 5 for 2 points, and my total score reduced to 36 points, which meant I no longer got a prize or an expected small handicap cut. This was about 5 years ago, so I don't know if the rules have changed since, but Club 2000 just accepted the score (5) as entered, and my handicap recalculated on that. The Comp Sec, who unfortunately passed away last year, was a stickler for the rules and correct procedure, so I would be surprised if he got it wrong!

 

[2blue]

Haha.... this is classic 😛

 

[delc]

Haha.... this is classic 😛

If you have scoring and handicapping software such as Club 2000, I don't think it allows you to enter 2 different scores for one hole, so how would you go about claiming the handicap reduction from CONGU?

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Mmm..must have missed this when it happened.
Surprising but I can see the reasoning behind it.
Your handicap is based on the actual score you made, the Comp is based on the score you record....
Are you still chasing it Mike?

I gave up when they stopped responding to me. I didn't see that there was much more that I could do short of asking CONGU and forwarding the response to club. Plus I figured it was my own stupid fault for letting someone convince me that I had a 5 instead of a 4 on the 14th. It was a very odd turn of events that lead to the confusion.

It was in the rules section, I didn't want to go over it again but since Delc seems convinced I am wrong I guess it better be discussed there (http://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/showthread.php?80441-What-do-you-do-when-you-simply-can-t-remember) than hijack Phil's thread any further)

 

[Tashyboy]

As a member of a Club who has had no role on any committee, I pay my membership fee and expect the Club to look after my handicap, I also agree on my behalf to abide by their rules/procedures as they lay down, I don't have enough knowledge on all aspects, so maybe naively go along with what I am told without suspicion.
If I have a question I will ask and again have faith in the person responding to me.
However, I also acknowledge I've learnt more on this forum in the last 12 months than I did being a member of a Golf Club for 10 years.
Sometimes as a member we simply just want to play golf and that's it😃

Thats odd. I mentioned on here a couple of months ago that i learned more on here than most other places and was nigh on called a neanderthal.
Obviously this forum does have its fair share of lets say " font of knowledge" members. But it is quite a good source of info. Worrying that some clubs are poor when it comes to policing it club and rules.

 

[Farneyman]

Is there a link to the thread?

(http://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/showthread.php?80441-What-do-you-do-when-you-simply-can-t-remember) than hijack Phil's thread any further)

Thanks

 

[doublebogey7]

If you have scoring and handicapping software such as Club 2000, I don't think it allows you to enter 2 different scores for one hole, so how would you go about claiming the handicap reduction from CONGU?

Classic Delc!! you ask for a CONGU reference and Hawkeye gave you the correct one and also quoted from it, but still think you are right. You must be a joy to live with.

 

[2blue]

Quote Originally Posted by pauldj42
As a member of a Club who has had no role on any committee, I pay my membership fee and expect the Club to look after my handicap, I also agree on my behalf to abide by their rules/procedures as they lay down, I don't have enough knowledge on all aspects, so maybe naively go along with what I am told without suspicion.
If I have a question I will ask and again have faith in the person responding to me.
However, I also acknowledge I've learnt more on this forum in the last 12 months than I did being a member of a Golf Club for 10 years.
Sometimes as a member we simply just want to play golf and that's it99

Thats odd. I mentioned on here a couple of months ago that i learned more on here than most other places and was nigh on called a neanderthal.
Obviously this forum does have its fair share of lets say " font of knowledge" members. But it is quite a good source of info. Worrying that some clubs are poor when it comes to policing it club and rules.

Couldn't agree more with you guys, as you know, or very quickly come to know, who's info to listen to & as they know the short cuts & further issues, it saves endless time ferreting about. Clubs will often have just one opinion formed a long time ago & never questioned since... this place is a wealth of opinion as well as much information & amusement ...... & friends of course :whoo:

 

[DCB]

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Poor horse 😀

 

[DCB]

I think the most worrying thing about this thread is the fact that there appear to be people on handicap committee s who don't know what they are doing. The Club's should be addressing that and making sure that their committee members fully understand what is required and the correct method of achieving that end.

Yes the software can do a lot for you and can make life easy, but, the software only acts upon the info that is input into the system. Someone in each club is responsible (surely) for the handicap committee, and that person should be aware of all or any changes brought about in the handicap system in a given year. The yearly updates are readily available to clubs well in advance and software updates are equally as important and as readily available from a clubs software supplier.

If clubs aren't getting this right then what hope have we ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I think the most worrying thing about this thread is the fact that there appear to be people on handicap committee s who don't know what they are doing. The Club's should be addressing that and making sure that their committee members fully understand what is required and the correct method of achieving that end.

Yes the software can do a lot for you and can make life easy, but, the software only acts upon the info that is input into the system. Someone in each club is responsible (surely) for the handicap committee, and that person should be aware of all or any changes brought about in the handicap system in a given year. The yearly updates are readily available to clubs well in advance and software updates are equally as important and as readily available from a clubs software supplier.

If clubs aren't getting this right then what hope have we ?

Also are members bothered about it ?

Perfect example is the supplementary card topic talked about recently - someone had a good score - put it through as a supplementary and got a cut - against Congu regs but no one seems bothered. So if people don't highlight the issues then the HC committee will continue to do it their way

 

[bluewolf]

Also are members bothered about it ?

Perfect example is the supplementary card topic talked about recently - someone had a good score - put it through as a supplementary and got a cut - against Congu regs but no one seems bothered. So if people don't highlight the issues then the HC committee will continue to do it their way

I think that people are less bothered when a handicap is being cut than they are when it's going up.. In fact, I bet that some people are actually glad that someone gets a cut, even when it's against CONGU regulations.. People get a perverse satisfaction out of it...

 

[huds1475]

I think that people are less bothered when a handicap is being cut than they are when it's going up.. In fact, I bet that some people are actually glad that someone gets a cut, even when it's against CONGU regulations.. People get a perverse satisfaction out of it...

Reminds me of this....

[video=youtube_share;yp_l5ntikaU]http://youtu.be/yp_l5ntikaU[/video]

 

[JP58]

As a past hcp/comp chairman, some of the biggest issues we had were dealing with "bandits", lack of knowledge re hcp & rules and members not submitting away comp scores. To combat these issues we made sure that when the subs letters went out a copy of the r&a rules went with them, ensured that the pro shop, locker room & bar had small stocks as well.

The bandits were well known and had got away with it for years, so their scores were monitored, especially prior to board comps and opens, once they got the message the practise all but disappeared.

To combat the away score issue, where we knew a member had played in an away comp and not submitted their score, we gave that club a call and asked for their scorecard ! simples

End of year reviews are a vital part of helping to ensure fair hcps and clubs should not ignore this

Essentially a golfer is responsible for their hcp as much as the committee is, but sometimes the issue is time, one example is, I was playing in our captains day, second to last group out (draw based on hcps lowest out last) by the time I got in I had 45 mins to manually check winners cards only, rest had to wait, get showered & changed and get seated at the top table for dinner. I was then approached by a past president who should have known better and asked what his hcp should be for an away comp the following day !!! I asked what his exact was and what he had shot and told him in no uncertain terms that he was responsible for his own hcp.

The motto here is, that there is no excuse for not knowing, the information is there if it isn't, ask