Handicap Cards - Difference in Rounds

[User101]

It's a funny old logic handing in cards that are representative of your playing ability that you get a handicap that you say you can't play to.

On the opposite scale, my bro is handing in cards at the moment and so far has a 93 and a 91, yet he wants to put in a lower card so he doesn't get a 20 handicap, but I've told him it's all relative.

 

[Deleted member 21258]

It's a funny old logic handing in cards that are representative of your playing ability that you get a handicap that you say you can't play to.

I would disagree, the handicap you end up with is actually better than your best score/playing ability. If you look at the formulae applied.

I ended up playing off 10, when my best card showed I shot 12 or 13 over iirc with no trebles or worse and sss is two under par. So effectively 4/5 shots better than my cards indicated due to the formulae/committee.

Think my first score after getting my handicap was on the forum day to Woburn and scored 9 points, I was so proud that day, good job I laugh at bad scores :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

 

[User101]

What are you disagreeing with ? The handicap allotment procedure?

 

[slowhand]

What are you disagreeing with ? The handicap allotment procedure?

It does seem that the current formula does result in a handicap lower than that indicated by the lowest round. Using my example, I shot 87 on an SSS 65 course. That is 22 over par. However, the formula result in my getting a handicap of 20, which I have never played to in my life. How is that fair?

 

[User101]

My lowest was 80 on a par of 70 and got 8, within 3 qualifiers this season I was cut 2 shots, it has a way of working itself out you know.

 

[ScienceBoy]

No idea how I got one of 17 when I started. Won 2 of my first 3 comps and got cut to 15. I thought I handed cards in that were mostly in the 90s...

You will be able to play to it for sure, trust the system.

 

[duncan mackie]

I would disagree, the handicap you end up with is actually better than your best score/playing ability. If you look at the formulae applied.

I ended up playing off 10, when my best card showed I shot 12 or 13 over iirc with no trebles or worse and sss is two under par. So effectively 4/5 shots better than my cards indicated due to the formulae/committee.

Think my first score after getting my handicap was on the forum day to Woburn and scored 9 points, I was so proud that day, good job I laugh at bad scores :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Whilst the principle (that, if outside cat 1, you will always be allocated a new handicap better than the best card you return by the system) cannot be argued against (simple arithmatic) I can't understand your aromatic, or logic, at all.

If you shot 12 over without any trebled or worse the system will allocate 11 (13 over would allocate 12).
So being allocated 10 is the result of committee intervention, which should be documented and explained. Normally it is the result of factoring in a previously held handicap or returning all 3 cards with the same, or similar, scores.

Where 4/5 shots better than my score comes from isn't obvious!

 

[Deleted member 21258]

Whilst the principle (that, if outside cat 1, you will always be allocated a new handicap better than the best card you return by the system) cannot be argued against (simple arithmatic) I can't understand your aromatic, or logic, at all.

If you shot 12 over without any trebled or worse the system will allocate 11 (13 over would allocate 12).
So being allocated 10 is the result of committee intervention, which should be documented and explained. Normally it is the result of factoring in a previously held handicap or returning all 3 cards with the same, or similar, scores.

Where 4/5 shots better than my score comes from isn't obvious!

I never really understood at the time and certainly didn't query it, just thought how did that happen and got on with it(couple of years back now).

My only active handicap previously was about 16 to 18(tenish years prior, was not asked if I held one tho), never kept it active back then either and certainly wasn't my finishing playing handicap, as played a lot better for a period tbh mid single figures at a guess, still trying to find that short game. So that handicap wasn't taken into account.

My three cards were put in from our yellows, which is par 71, sss 69, which I thought I would need to shot 38 points to play to handicap(2 under handicap), ignoring buffer ? or isn't it looked at like that ?( am I being stupid). It is these 2 plus the 2 or 3 shots under my lowest card, that made 4/5, but looks I have looked at it wrongly from your reply.

 

[jim8flog]

It does seem that the current formula does result in a handicap lower than that indicated by the lowest round. Using my example, I shot 87 on an SSS 65 course. That is 22 over par. However, the formula result in my getting a handicap of 20, which I have never played to in my life. How is that fair?

What is the par at your course and what is the SSS.

Handicaps are not necessarily intended to get you to shoot nett level par but within the buffer zone of the CSS ie at a 20 handicap 3 over the CSS. Newly handicapped players are expected to improve not get worse. The expectation is that a correctly handicapped player will only shoot to the buffer zone or better about a third of the times they play.

 

[duncan mackie]

I never really understood at the time and certainly didn't query it, just thought how did that happen and got on with it(couple of years back now).

My only active handicap previously was about 16 to 18(tenish years prior, was not asked if I held one tho), never kept it active back then either and certainly wasn't my finishing playing handicap, as played a lot better for a period tbh mid single figures at a guess, still trying to find that short game. So that handicap wasn't taken into account.

My three cards were put in from our yellows, which is par 71, sss 69, which I thought I would need to shot 38 points to play to handicap(2 under handicap), ignoring buffer ? or isn't it looked at like that ?( am I being stupid). It is these 2 plus the 2 or 3 shots under my lowest card, that made 4/5, but looks I have looked at it wrongly from your reply.

Possibly a description issue - sticking to net scores for the time being (which will be the same with only double bogeyss at worst) a card of 12 over would be a gross 81 on that course and should be allocated a handicap of 11.

If you returned a best card of 83 and were allocated 10 then something is very wrong - but then again you should also have been asked if you had previously held a handicap!

Possible cause would be failure to clearly indicate the tees used - but even here it should have been queried rather than the whites assumed (if they were SSS 72 your 83 would get you an allocation of 10...)

 

[Leftie]

Problem is the first rounds once I gain my handicap will be the Old Farts vs Whippersnappers at Forest Pines. Not the time nor place to have an unrealistically low handicap!

No fully grown Whippersnapper should get more than 1 shot a hole - it's somehow not quite right