Handicap calculation query

[backwoodsman]

Prior to a comp on Sunday I played off 23.2 (par 72 course).

I checked my gross score, rounding down any blobs to double-bogey & came up with a score of 98 - i.e. 2.8 shots over handicap & within the 4 shot buffer zone.

However, I've now been adjusted to 23.3.

Forgive me if I'm totally mad...but you got 0.1 for playing outside the buffer of 4 shots. That's how it works. I don't see what rounding stuff down to doubles has got to do with it.

If I go out in a medal and have 10 bogeys, 7 pars and 1 quadruple, I've played to 14, in which case I get 0.1.
To the best of my knowledge, I can't complain that the quad' should have been counted as a double for adjustment purposes.

Please tell me if I'm wrong....

I'm with you on this one...

Rounding down "doubles" don't come into it when looking at H/C adjustments. You simply take the full gross score, knock off your given shots (23 in this case) and if you are outside/above the buffer zone, then you get raised 0.1

 

[jammydodger]

wrong wrong wrong , you will get any hole rounded down to net double ie..a 7 on stroke index 1 is rounded down to a 6 (par 4)

I shot 4 over par gross in the first round of the club champs with a triple on the last which was knocked down to a 7 (par 5) for h/c purposes

 

[RGDave]

wrong wrong wrong , you will get any hole rounded down to net double ie.a 7 on stroke index 1 is rounded down to a 6 (par 4)

OK, hold your horses.

The OP is presumably referring to a medal round. I'm not disputing your knowledge, but this seems a strange state of affairs. If a high h'cap player enters a stableford and has a few blow outs (N/Rs) then no-one but the player could possibly know what the real score would have been. You can have a good few N/Rs, make 33 points and NOT get 0.1 because of the buffer, I agree.

I don't personally see how it can possibly be a fair system to "ignore" worse than doubles on a medal round. Players off high h'caps will almost certainly make a few big numbers. If a player off 22 (say) consistently plays to 28 (like, 100 gross) but is never awarded a 0.1 up because he's thrown in some big scores (that have been rounded down) then how on earth is he ever going to get the correct h'cap.

You're a good player (yes?) and if you have a disaster 7 on the S.I. 1 hole, then of course, that shouldn't immediately mean you get 0.1.......but for lesser players? I'm not so sure.

 

[jammydodger]

Dave in your reply the 22 h/c playing to 28 with a few high scores thrown in might well have played to his h/c in a stableford so leaving his h/c at 22 seems pretty fair tbh

 

[RGDave]

Dave in your reply the 22 h/c playing to 28 with a few high scores thrown in might well have played to his h/c in a stableford so leaving his h/c at 22 seems pretty fair tbh

Yeh, you could be right. I just think of some of the guys at mine (social, rather than competitive players) who consistently make 33-36 points in stablefords, BUT are like close to 10 over nett in medals and only get 0.1s after a medal.

We have a chap (off 17, everyone knows him) who seems to make 32-35 points week in week out. In medals he's near to 95, maybe 100 (?) shots. He hasn't played to 16 in years, seriously, years. Thanks to the buffer and low SSS he gets a 0.1 maybe once every two months. He should be off 20 (at least) and he'll never get there. If he was, he'd still never make 40 points.

For div 1 players, I think extra care needs to be taken and "outrageous" scores on one or two holes shouldn't stop adjustments up or down. For div 3 players, adjusting every round to stableford equivalent is not so good for getting the h'cap spot on.

Don't feel you have to reply, I'm not arguing the toss with what you say.

 

[USER1999]

But the system works. If you put these guys up so their medal score comes in at net 72, with three 10s and an 11 on the card, they are going to mince you in full allowance match play. Yes, they will have 4 bad holes, but the rest?

 

[jammydodger]

It's always been a contentious subject and I guess its driven by peoples experiences coming up against folk who they think should be higher/lower than they are. How do we get peoples h/c to consistently reflect their ability ? I've been trounced by a 15 h/c playing to 5 but the next week you see him in a medal shooting 96 , I dont know what the answer is. After the matchplay game i was a little miffed but after seeing his medal score you just realise that people have good days and bad. You just have to hope they have their good day when playing someone else

 

[Twire]

Get you now..

i think over 21 handicap then as you said its Cat 4.. Ie 0.4.

Cat 3 i think is 18-21 ie 0.3...

and so on..

was getting a little mixed up there

Cat 1 is 5 or below
Cat 2 is 6 - 12
Cat 3 is 13 - 20
Cat 4 is 21 - 28

 

[Hendy]

Dave in your reply the 22 h/c playing to 28 with a few high scores thrown in might well have played to his h/c in a stableford so leaving his h/c at 22 seems pretty fair tbh

Yeh, you could be right. I just think of some of the guys at mine (social, rather than competitive players) who consistently make 33-36 points in stablefords, BUT are like close to 10 over nett in medals and only get 0.1s after a medal.

We have a chap (off 17, everyone knows him) who seems to make 32-35 points week in week out. In medals he's near to 95, maybe 100 (?) shots. He hasn't played to 16 in years, seriously, years. Thanks to the buffer and low SSS he gets a 0.1 maybe once every two months. He should be off 20 (at least) and he'll never get there. If he was, he'd still never make 40 points.

For div 1 players, I think extra care needs to be taken and "outrageous" scores on one or two holes shouldn't stop adjustments up or down. For div 3 players, adjusting every round to stableford equivalent is not so good for getting the h'cap spot on.

Don't feel you have to reply, I'm not arguing the toss with what you say.

Play with a guy thats the same kind of.. He does not play stoke play.. but s/fold every week. Shots 20 odd points 9 out of 10 rounds getting 0.1 back each time, then once in the blue moon he will shot 40/41/42 and tends to get cut back to where he started from. I would say that really he should be playing off a higher handicap.

I said he does not play stoke comp's and there is a reason for that.. it does not take a master mind to work out why not.

 

[USER1999]

Well, it does take a mastermind, as stroke play will still see him adjusted up 0.1 for his bad rounds, and he will get cut for his 40 pointers, even if there is a blob in there, so in fact nothing would be any different.

 

[sfby]

Thanks Ethan - that was the problem. I was only rounding to DB not Nett DB. The sums all add up now.

Rgds

 

[RGDave]

Murph and Jammy. You guys are of course spot on, especially when it comes to matchplay.

I hadn't considered that issue, I must admit.

It wouldn't make sense for someone who goes par, par, triple, par, bogey, quadruple, par etc. to play off a huge number.

Thanks.....I've seen the light!

 

[carlo91]

i believe that the club marks all scores above double bogeys are reduced down to a double bogey but this is only when they are working out your starting handicap..i do not think they round it down in official competitions so therefore that is where your 0.1 has come from

 

[USER1999]

Sorry mate, but they do it in all comps. It is Congu rules. Everything is reduced to a net double.

 

[viscount17]

Stableford adjustment is used on handicap adjustments on medal scores at my club, though I think there is a limit to how much adjustment there is.

I've seen it used both ways, avoiding the 0.1 and increasing the cut.

 

[Ethan]

i believe that the club marks all scores above double bogeys are reduced down to a double bogey but this is only when they are working out your starting handicap..i do not think they round it down in official competitions so therefore that is where your 0.1 has come from

Any club which operates handicaps according to CONGU should apply the stableford adjustment to every card.