Golf Random Irritations

[Lucifer MorningStar]

See my earlier reply. Isn't levelling tees labour? Where's the costly materials involved?

Equipment required to level it, most clubs don’t own that kind of equipment, seeding, turf, man hours lost doing other bits on the course members would invariably moan about because they spent more time levelling 1 tee etc.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Why don't our greenkeepers work on levelling some of the tees, that desperately need this doing, during the winter?

What’s the ground like

Ever seen the mess made by diggers on very wet ground

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Money!
The price of materials is eye watering now.

Ground conditions is what will be stopping any major maintenance work on the course

Materials used to level a team will be part of yearly budgets etc

 

[GreiginFife]

The UK has had one of the wettest winters on record, record consecutive days rainfall and some golfers want groundwork being done in it.

Probably the same ones that would be first to complain about the state of the course 3-4 months later when the inevitable happens.

Beggars belief, it really does.

 

[hors limite]

Equipment required to level it, most clubs don’t own that kind of equipment, seeding, turf, man hours lost doing other bits on the course members would invariably moan about because they spent more time levelling 1 tee e

Equipment required to level it, most clubs don’t own that kind of equipment, seeding, turf, man hours lost doing other bits on the course members would invariably moan about because they spent more time levelling 1 tee etc.

Seed/turf costly materials, I don't think so. Mini digger hire is not costly.The routine green keeping maintenance workload is much lighter throughout late autumn, winter and early spring. Seems like the ideal time, weather permitting, to do this sort of work.
I would like to emphasise that, at no stage, have I advocated doing this kind of work when conditions are unsuitable.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

Seed/turf costly materials, I don't think so. Mini digger hire is not costly.The routine green keeping maintenance workload is much lighter throughout late autumn, winter and early spring. Seems like the ideal time, weather permitting, to do this sort of work.
I would like to emphasise that, at no stage, have I advocated doing this kind of work when conditions are unsuitable.

You don’t think so but clubs factually have to budget for them! Plus it’s British winter time the weather is always going to be unsuitable for this kind of work but doing so when the weather permits it would have many members in uproar they can’t play off proper tees in good weather.

 

[Orikoru]

Surely the club has a head.

So there's a head and a neck with a toe and a heel? It's a biological mess, sounds like a Picasso painting.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

So there's a head and a neck with a toe and a heel? It's a biological mess, sounds like a Picasso painting.

It has a face as well!

Mind you doesn’t sound right when you say you’ve hit one out of the nose or ear

 

[hors limite]

You don’t think so but clubs factually have to budget for them! Plus it’s British winter time the weather is always going to be unsuitable for this kind of work but doing so when the weather permits it would have many members in uproar they can’t play off proper tees in good weather.

So presumably, they will want to play off uneven tees all year and every year to the end of eternity. Trying to discuss a question with a contrarian is a waste of time.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

So presumably, they will want to play off uneven tees all year and every year to the end of eternity. Trying to discuss a question with a contrarian is a waste of time.

And there you have found the issue with golfers and golf clubs world wide. They won’t accept a tee being closed during decent weather but will expect it done in winter when the ground isn’t conducive to the required grounds work. Wintertime isn’t the best time for digging, turf or rebuilding as ground works invariably sink when carried out in colder and wetter conditions causing further problems. But no point discussing it as you’re clearly correct and my vast years of experience of doing and teaching elements of it is wrong

Enjoy your day bud I’m kind of bored of this now

 

[anotherdouble]

If I put seed or top soil on the ground at the moment, it would dissolve/wash away in a couple of hours and a complete waste of money

 

[D-S]

When we levelled tees we’ve used a laser leveller. Basically a small tractor with a rotavator on the back that is linked by laser to a gizmo at the side (no I am not techie). The tractor goes round and round on the tee platform with the rotatvator changing height to get it perfectly level, it took a couple of hours per tee which had been stripped of turf. Impossible to do if the topsoil isn’t moderately dry.

 

[clubchamp98]

Ground conditions is what will be stopping any major maintenance work on the course

Materials used to level a team will be part of yearly budgets etc

It’s one of many

Conditions is a major factor but you make a mess anyway in winter / spring.

But after the rain we have had our place decided to get diggers in to landscape our 3 rd tee and it has made quite a mess.
But unless you do it in July that will always be the case.

 

[clubchamp98]

Seed/turf costly materials, I don't think so. Mini digger hire is not costly.The routine green keeping maintenance workload is much lighter throughout late autumn, winter and early spring. Seems like the ideal time, weather permitting, to do this sort of work.
I would like to emphasise that, at no stage, have I advocated doing this kind of work when conditions are unsuitable.

You don’t think so !

Materials has rocketed since Covid and havnt dropped in price.

 

[GreiginFife]

It’s one of many

Conditions is a major factor but you make a mess anyway in winter / spring.

But after the rain we have had our place decided to get diggers in to landscape our 3 rd tee and it has made quite a mess.
But unless you do it in July that will always be the case.

It’s not about making a mess, groundwork will always make a mess. It’s about stability of the ground after so much rain. Most years it’s not as bad and so work will generally take place, this year has been exceptional and anyone doing foundational works on ground so saturated is an idiot, it will sink as soon as the ground dries out and stabilises.

 

[clubchamp98]

It’s not about making a mess, groundwork will always make a mess. It’s about stability of the ground after so much rain. Most years it’s not as bad and so work will generally take place, this year has been exceptional and anyone doing foundational works on ground so saturated is an idiot, it will sink as soon as the ground dries out and stabilises.

Yes I totally agree.
But these specialists are booked months in advance and you can’t just cancel it.

We just took the top soil off the tee ,replaced it and root zone and turf.
It’s a big area so will have to wait and see.

 

[GreiginFife]

Yes I totally agree.
But these specialists are booked months in advance and you can’t just cancel it.

We just took the top soil off the tee ,replaced it and root zone and turf.
It’s a big area so will have to wait and see.

Our club did. Work on the new 3rd comp tee was halted in January due to unstable ground conditions. Will restart once the ground has dried up. If they had ploughed on just because it was scheduled, £150,000 would have been completely wasted and they would have to pay again for the work.

Re-rooting turf in saturated conditions also rarely goes well. We’ve had the double hit of soaking wet and freezing cold.

 

[clubchamp98]

Our club did. Work on the new 3rd comp tee was halted in January due to unstable ground conditions. Will restart once the ground has dried up. If they had ploughed on just because it was scheduled, £150,000 would have been completely wasted and they would have to pay again for the work.

Re-rooting turf in saturated conditions also rarely goes well. We’ve had the double hit of soaking wet and freezing cold.

Yes but think the lad knew what he was doing , he’s done a great job.
It’s on the side of a big hill and isn’t very wet.
It’s course dependant I guess.

Only thing for most members is we wouldn’t have this as a top priority.

 

[jim8flog]

This is why I prefer to have a club with a practice field......I don't mind picking up my own golf balls......and it's free with just using decent balls I've taken out of circulation.

We used to have a practice ground. Management decided it had often become too dangerous to use ( I agreed).
My annoyance was that would not leave an area for practicing of grass when the range was out. I then did most of my practice at another club who had done this.

 

[jim8flog]

I was already led to believe many clubs had their own bore holes that they used for irrigation and watering courses. Perhaps it’s something that could be looked into deeper and work in favour of clubs. Problem is it’s not cheap to put in these features and getting people to agree to something they don’t really understand and see a physical benefit everyday is hard.

We have a bore hole. The downside to it is that there is limit to how much water we can abstract. We have had years when we have almost reached the limit when the water was still needed on parts of the course.