SocketRocket
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Yes.
Worcestershire.
Worcestershire.
General Play scores in winter at your club
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IanM
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Both clubs I'm at allow GP all year. One club has a winter course that is measured, the other is the same as in the "season." (South Wales and North Devon)
I rarely do gp cards as if no comp on we play 4bbb with gimmes
I rarely do gp cards as if no comp on we play 4bbb with gimmes
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Yes, we can. Our course pretty much remains the same length in winter. A few holes a tad a shorter, one or two holes actually longer off the winter mat.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Dont think the moving tees etc can work anymore , been some changes
wjemather
Well-known member
Our forward blue tees are moved onto fixed artificial teeing mats from early November until late March/early April, and are the only tees available during this period.
North Somerset.
North Somerset.
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jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
Yes
North Dorset one course
and
South Somerset/North Dorset on the other
For a lot of winter we go to a measured shorter course on the 18 holer (one hole becomes easier short par 4 v par 5 and harder on the other relative easy par 4 to a tough par 3 for a lot of players).
North Dorset one course
and
South Somerset/North Dorset on the other
For a lot of winter we go to a measured shorter course on the 18 holer (one hole becomes easier short par 4 v par 5 and harder on the other relative easy par 4 to a tough par 3 for a lot of players).
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
We used to have a measured course for our winter tees but now we just place large mats on the normal tees which get moved around to avoid damage to the tee.
Backache
Assistant Pro
Our measured winter tees are mats.
SteveJay
Head Pro
No, still play over a measured course, but don't play on fairways, lift clean and place to the side of the fairway, so no qualifying scores or comps through Winter.
Fleetwood, Lancashire.
Fleetwood, Lancashire.
nickjdavis
Head Pro
Suffolk
We place artificial mats close to existing white/yellow/red tees (all have been previously rated for men) and will create a composite card with adjusted CR and slope ratings to reflect whatever composition of tees we use. General Play and Qualifying comps will be held through out the winter.
The ladies will use their normal tees as the traffic is significantly lighter so no change for them.
We place artificial mats close to existing white/yellow/red tees (all have been previously rated for men) and will create a composite card with adjusted CR and slope ratings to reflect whatever composition of tees we use. General Play and Qualifying comps will be held through out the winter.
The ladies will use their normal tees as the traffic is significantly lighter so no change for them.
twrmgoat
New member
No. forward winter tees,not a rated course. We play off mats averywhere, or move to side of fairway with preferrred lie. Wet course, often nit able to differentiate fairway from rough.
Works fine, we play qualifiers from end Of march to end October.
Works fine, we play qualifiers from end Of march to end October.
woofers
Medal Winner
Where do they say that? Can you provide a link to the relevant document?
I’m not aware that is the case. County course rating officials haven’t the time and resources to do that for every club. And there’s a cost to the club in getting a rating.
In my opinion many courses here in Sussex shouldn’t be enabling acceptable scores under the guidance from England Golf which says scores should not be returned for handicap purposes when course conditions are such that “acceptable scoring” is not possible, an example being “excessively soft ground - minimal to no roll”. Which probably applies to many parkland courses during winter months.
D-S
Well-known member
Where do they say that?
D-S
Well-known member
We aim to have 2 or 3 tee sets open for GP cards or qualifying comps all winter.
Today for example the 65, 63, 60, 57 and 53 tees were all available on the EG App. We will rotate through the courses dependent on wear with one of the 57 or 53 always being open along with at least one other (it’s likely that the 65 will rarely be open as the platforms are smaller and will be rested more). All grass tees.
Bristol.
Today for example the 65, 63, 60, 57 and 53 tees were all available on the EG App. We will rotate through the courses dependent on wear with one of the 57 or 53 always being open along with at least one other (it’s likely that the 65 will rarely be open as the platforms are smaller and will be rested more). All grass tees.
Bristol.
Neilds
Assistant Pro
Yes, all 3 tees rated for both genders and, if required, a shorter winter course is also rated.
Wiltshire
Wiltshire
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
No
Leicestershire
We are simply thrilled if the course is open.
Tees can be anywhere, placing in the general area, fairway mats encouraged for general area, rake and replace in bunkers - all common occurrences to protect the course.
Would be daft if we managed to contrive a measured course - I would consider any GP cards from Nov to March to be possible deliberate poor scores.
Leicestershire
We are simply thrilled if the course is open.
Tees can be anywhere, placing in the general area, fairway mats encouraged for general area, rake and replace in bunkers - all common occurrences to protect the course.
Would be daft if we managed to contrive a measured course - I would consider any GP cards from Nov to March to be possible deliberate poor scores.
woofers
Medal Winner
We have winter mats on many holes reducing the total course yardage by over 500 yards. With course closures due to wet winters and reduced numbers wanting to play it’s not worth the time and expense of getting the course officially rated.
We switch off the ability for scores to be registered and input via the EG App. Any competitions are ‘casual’.
I don’t know if the facility to switch off the tee markers in the EG App is used widely enough. I played at a course recently where the App allowed scores to be registered against the white tees even though they had been removed weeks earlier.
This is where the ease of submitting general play scores potentially falls down.
If clubs fail to follow the guidance and allow general play scores when conditions shouldn’t allow, it would be simple for a player to increase their handicap by up to 3 strokes by entering 20 rounds in the winter months.
We switch off the ability for scores to be registered and input via the EG App. Any competitions are ‘casual’.
I don’t know if the facility to switch off the tee markers in the EG App is used widely enough. I played at a course recently where the App allowed scores to be registered against the white tees even though they had been removed weeks earlier.
This is where the ease of submitting general play scores potentially falls down.
If clubs fail to follow the guidance and allow general play scores when conditions shouldn’t allow, it would be simple for a player to increase their handicap by up to 3 strokes by entering 20 rounds in the winter months.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
Years ago all my downward movements in handicap came in winter and all my upwards in summer. Winter golf conditions can make golf so much easier with lift clean and place, greens like dart boards for drop and stop and slower greens can make for more positive putting with very little fear of belting it past the hole.
D-S
Well-known member
We have repeatedly advised clubs to turn off their tees in the portal if, for whatever reason, the golf is not set up or fit for acceptable scores. We have done this again this year when re iterating the new Adverse weather guidelines, there is a good video on the EG website showing clubs how to do it.
We also do a check a couple of times to see if clubs have turned tees off and/or winter tees on. The message appears to be getting through.
HankMarvin
Tour Rookie
Yep for us in Perthshire
