Old Skier
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Now I know your on here just having a laugh
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Now I know your on here just having a laugh
Old Skier
Tour Winner
With the current level of educational standards up there it seems they are taking advantage of the poor wee illiterates
How can you possibly say such a thing about The Kezia - though she does struggle to make an impact - she can't even claim to be the only LBGTQ party leader in Scotland, damn.
Actually I don't mind Kezia or Ruthie at all, and think it is a true sign of progressive politics when three of the leaders of the main political parties in Scotland are women, and three are members of the LGBTQ community (though not the same three)
What does the Q stand for? I'm pretty sure I know but if it is what I think then that was surely covered already by LG. Answers please.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
This is my take on it:
[video=youtube;I5tAYnex6fY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5tAYnex6fY[/video]
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Dont forget they wrecked Scotland as well
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Dont forget they wrecked Scotland as well
In your wee head maybees.:lol:
Compared to what is going on in the rest of the UK I think we are just fine.
Interesting to see the Westminster parties are trying to steal the SNP policies.
I don't suppose you have noticed.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
They will probably stay clear of their education and you are a prime example of why
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
Can we use your same reasoning if Brexit turns out to be a disaster? It's not the Tories or the negotiators fault, it's the fault of Labour, the SNP, the Lib Dems, you and others like you who keep asking too many questions about it. Maybe if you all shut up about it the Tories would be able to get on with sorting out Brexit.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
There you have the labour manifesto cheered to the rafters by it's supporters. [without realising that many parts are a cut and paste job of the 10 year old SNP one.]
CheltenhamHacker
Journeyman Pro
Shock horror!
a) party supporters support document produced by party
b) Doon straight away refers to the SNP.
You forgot to mention that the Green party also produced a lot of these same manifesto promises in the last few years.
a) party supporters support document produced by party
b) Doon straight away refers to the SNP.
You forgot to mention that the Green party also produced a lot of these same manifesto promises in the last few years.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Nice to see the Labour finally taking note and catching up with policies that have proved popular with voters in Scotland for many years.
Scottish Greens and SNP are joined at the hip so they would probably have influenced the SNP.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Good headline stuff from Corbyn - as far as funding it - I'm chortling somewhat hearing some complaining that it's 'pie-in-the-sky' - as if a great future outside of the EU isn't.
As far as tax increases on pay. Income tax would increase to 45p marginal rate for people earning over £80,000, and 50p marginal for those on more than £123,000, with an "excessive pay levy" on salaries above £330,000 (that is levied on the companies)
Now I wouldn't fall in the 45p rate - but my life is actually relatively comfortable. Were I earning £81k I'd be getting asked to pay £50 a year additional tax. If I earn £100k? - I am asked to pay £1000 a year more in IT (that's £83/month). Unacceptable - I don't think so.
Yes - the majority of the income tax falls on the shoulders of those most able to cope with it - but that's the way it should and must be, I'm sure those least able to carry more burden in respect of income would be more than happy to be in a position to pay more. That 25% of income tax is paid by the top 1% of earners is not a reason for not asking them to pay a little more - indeed it is a fact that highlights the inequality in our society.
As far as tax increases on pay. Income tax would increase to 45p marginal rate for people earning over £80,000, and 50p marginal for those on more than £123,000, with an "excessive pay levy" on salaries above £330,000 (that is levied on the companies)
Now I wouldn't fall in the 45p rate - but my life is actually relatively comfortable. Were I earning £81k I'd be getting asked to pay £50 a year additional tax. If I earn £100k? - I am asked to pay £1000 a year more in IT (that's £83/month). Unacceptable - I don't think so.
Yes - the majority of the income tax falls on the shoulders of those most able to cope with it - but that's the way it should and must be, I'm sure those least able to carry more burden in respect of income would be more than happy to be in a position to pay more. That 25% of income tax is paid by the top 1% of earners is not a reason for not asking them to pay a little more - indeed it is a fact that highlights the inequality in our society.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
The Q stands for 'Queer' because the LGBT community wished to gain ownership of the word 'Queer' in a positive context rather than as it is commonly used in the context of abuse against that community
I'd much rather see a flat rate of tax, but it starting higher, e.g. 30% starting at, say £35,000.
As things currently stand, someone on £20,000 pays £2000 about in tax, whereas someone on £80,000 currently pays £22,000. The high earners are already paying way more because of the higher rate.
If a high earner has worked their what's its off and got to the big bucks why penalise them for it?
Leaving more money in a person's pocket means they spend more = more VAT and more products being made for them to buy.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Plenty of people on £26k (the UK average wage - the median being £22k I think) work their socks off and just as hard as someone earning 4x as much. I don't buy the argument that salary reflects an entitlement - many of us are where we are through a combination of good luck and sacrifice by others, as well as hard work. But that notwithstanding - if those able to pay a bit more don't - the who does?
And also - why is paying more tax seen as a penalty? Could not those who earn more be grateful that they are in a position to contribute a bit more to the overall well-being of the country and society.
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I suspect that is for another thread, one that could get messy, so I will leave it there. Thanks for the explanation though.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Yup.
jp5
Q-School Graduate
Get to that salary and you're likely dependent on the work of the lesser well off.
It doesn't seem unreasonable to ask them to pay a bit more for the better of society as a whole.
It's only a tax increase on the top 5% remember. Typically the bracket that has done best since the recession. I think they can take it.
How some of us get to wherever we get to is irrelevant as it then comes down to a case by case basis - that's just not scientific.
As for taking more money off the rich because they're rich...there's no fairness in that at all. BTW, I'm not in the £80k bracket either, I just believe its wrong. As for sickly sweet McDonnell saying just a little bit more, but he won't put a number to it when he's asked will he?
As for what to do differently; vanity projects like HS2 for starters.
They are already paying more than 10Xtimes more than those on £20k. As I said, I'd rather take those on lower incomes out of tax altogether but have flat rate from, pick something in the middle £30k-£40k. 5% on the £30k is only another £500 = £42/month.
But then you get those who are just hit for "a little bit extra" saying unfair.
