Ge 2017

Hobbit said:
I think calling an election is turning out to be a master stroke, but not for what I thought was the original reason, i,e, hitting Labour when they are at their weakest since the early 80's. It's resulted in Labour declaring their Brexit position in so many areas, and in pretty much all of them Labour are going for the faintest of Brexits.

There's a strong possibility that Labour's stance will drive their centre-ist, hard Brexit voters across to the Tories. No doubt some Tories will vote with Remain in mind, but will they vote Labour or LibDem or...?

Without the election there was always the possibility of the deal brought back to Parliament might struggle, especially as we now know what Labour are aiming for. But with a large majority any Bill, Brexit or otherwise will sail through.
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A mastertroke with a rationale that is a lie. Fair enough - if that's the sort of straight talking we are to expect from our PM
 
SocketRocket said:
She has accepted the will of the majority and is committed to carrying out the result. Losers should accept they lost and put their differences behind them just like she has. It's somehow a very sad reflection of our society the way we continue to get all this complaining from those who didn't win. This talk of 2 out of 4 countries is also fiddling with reality, we all know it was a referendum for the UK, not a regional one, what people voted locally is nothing to do with the result, that was always going to be about numbers. I know full well that if the vote had gone the other way as was predicted and any country had voted against the overall result then there would not be this talk of mandates and unfairness.
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She is either a liar or is totally unprincipled in respect of Brexit and cares little more than for herself and her party. You can't say it would be terrible for the UK to leave the EU one minute, and then the next be almost willing the most severe separation. You just can't. Nothing to do with enacting the will of the people.
 
How can either side know what Brexit will be like. Neither side knows what the other will concede or stick on in the negotiations?

Brexit, and many of the desires expressed are aspirational and are ambitions for the UK by the Brexiteers.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
She is either a liar or is totally unprincipled in respect of Brexit and cares little more than for herself and her party. You can't say it would be terrible for the UK to leave the EU one minute, and then the next be almost willing the most severe separation. You just can't. Nothing to do with enacting the will of the people.
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I read a political autobiography many years ago about an ex-PM. In it he said one of the hardest things for any leading politician to do is to put aside their personal opinions and to reflect the wishes of the people. May may have been a Remainer in the run up to the referendum, and following the party whip, but I don't expect her to do anything other than what she is doing now. In fact, I'd be very disappointed in her if she did any different. However, if she'd become a backbencher I would expect her to have carried being a Remainer.

I'm surprised you don't understand that concept, or does it not satisfy your understanding of senior management. On a personal level, you must have enacted company policy you disagreed with...
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
She is either a liar or is totally unprincipled in respect of Brexit and cares little more than for herself and her party. You can't say it would be terrible for the UK to leave the EU one minute, and then the next be almost willing the most severe separation. You just can't. Nothing to do with enacting the will of the people.
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You are completely wrong here. During the referendum she was very quiet and said very little about Brexit. She was a senior cabinet member and as such has to abide by collective responsibility. After the vote she has accepted the majority will of the people which is the right thing to do, if she didn't she should return to the back benches to fester over the vote. Shes not like you, you are rabid in your hatred for people with a different view, you will not or can not accept your view lost and now you should accept it. I have voted for the losing side in many elections but I didnt spend most of my waking hours ranting on about it. Calling her a 'Liar' is wrong.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
She is either a liar or is totally unprincipled in respect of Brexit and cares little more than for herself and her party. You can't say it would be terrible for the UK to leave the EU one minute, and then the next be almost willing the most severe separation. You just can't. Nothing to do with enacting the will of the people.
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Quite right sir, the other unanswered question is, why didthe Tories elect am unprincipled 'Stay' minister as PM.
That must be against the will of the people.


[Or was it that all of the other leave candidates for PM were total numpties]
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Because you didn't - WE didn't. If we knew why the debate about what Brexit will look like (other than out of the EU) and the refusal of the government to tell us what they want to achieve. If we knew what we were voting for beyond leaving the EU then the government wouldn't need to keep telling us that they can't tell us their objectives for Brexit as that would be revealing our hand.

'Rabid Remainers'? come on...if I called out Loony Leavers I'd be castigated for doing so...but to heck with it - it is quite clear that Loony Leavers just can't shut up about pretending they know what Brexit will look like and that somehow it will be Rabid Remainers fault if it goes wrong. Oh stop me laughing as my sides are hurting....
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Oh, we've been called much much worse since the referendum (you know the usual Thick, Uneducated, Racist morons, that sort of thing). You may not have known what you were voting for (in which case you should'nt have voted), but I did. I voted what is now popularly known as a 'hard brexit' and hope that's what we get. :thup:
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
A mastertroke with a rationale that is a lie. Fair enough - if that's the sort of straight talking we are to expect from our PM
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You seem to completely miss the point I made in an earlier post that all PM's lie, and I included examples of the last 4 PM's and opposition party leaders. If you're going to go expecting a soul's bared approach from our leaders you will be continually disappointed.

Or is it you only want to highlight her lie as it suits your political stance?
 
It's just typical DM scare mongering, they have a quota that they have to fill in the run up to the election.

A witness who heard Ms Thornberry’s comment said: ‘The room went quiet. Everyone was silently asking themselves, “Has our candidate to be the next Labour Defence Secretary just said she doesn’t know the code for a nuclear war?” ’

Really?? Has the paper any proof whatsoever that a) that is what anyone was thinking and b) everyone was thinking it. Silently??

Of course they were not, but the DM has done its job as it has sewn the perception that suddenly turns into fact that this is what happened.

 
I thought the thread was about the GE not just bickering about the PM.

A few in those constituencies will get to vote for the PM or for JC for the rest of us we can chose the candidate/party we believe is most representative of our views.

Calling the PM and/or JC liars is just so much hot air its juvenile - they're just the figure heads.

Any chance the issues might be discussed?
 
Hacker Khan said:
It's just typical DM scare mongering, they have a quota that they have to fill in the run up to the election.

A witness who heard Ms Thornberry’s comment said: ‘The room went quiet. Everyone was silently asking themselves, “Has our candidate to be the next Labour Defence Secretary just said she doesn’t know the code for a nuclear war?” ’

Really?? Has the paper any proof whatsoever that a) that is what anyone was thinking and b) everyone was thinking it. Silently??

Of course they were not, but the DM has done its job as it has sewn the perception that suddenly turns into fact that this is what happened.

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ah....but it was a witness not an 'unnamed source'.

The Craig Murray piece was also about the Tories trumpeting a 'win' for a councillor in Glasgow when he actually came 4th in the candidates ranking and only 'won' his seat at the 10th voting stage.
Then the Tory 'triumph' in 'winning in Scotland' by taking 22.5% of the votes.
I would imagine that roughly 10% of those Tory votes were the fag end of the Scottish Labour 'staunch' unionists voters finally realising that their party was a dead parrot.
 
drdel said:
I thought the thread was about the GE not just bickering about the PM.

A few in those constituencies will get to vote for the PM or for JC for the rest of us we can chose the candidate/party we believe is most representative of our views.

Calling the PM and/or JC liars is just so much hot air its juvenile - they're just the figure heads.

Any chance the issues might be discussed?
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Strange you should say that as yet another Tory 'general election' leaflet is dropped through my letter box.
Guess what it is all about.....Say no to Scottish Independence:whistle:
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Strange you should say that as yet another Tory 'general election' leaflet is dropped through my letter box.
Guess what it is all about.....Say no to Scottish Independence:whistle:
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And what is wrong with that? THE SNP's manifesto, and reason for life, has always been independence. A vote for the Tories is a vote for the Union. Is it that hard for you to understand, or is it that you are looking for every little thing and twisting some sort of spin on to it, e.g. this example you've posted?
 
Hobbit said:
And what is wrong with that? THE SNP's manifesto, and reason for life, has always been independence. A vote for the Tories is a vote for the Union. Is it that hard for you to understand, or is it that you are looking for every little thing and twisting some sort of spin on to it, e.g. this example you've posted?
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No
I just have a good old laugh at the minority Scottish parties continually banging on a great deal more about the SNP continually banging on about independence.
 
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