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Old Skier said:
Labour were only to willing to sign up the DUP when the previous coalition fudge up was being traded over. I presume that Labour supporters would have been happy with that.
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It's not the coalition I have issue with... It's the 1Bn that's being handed over to secure it... We've either got plenty of cash to play with or we haven't the proverbial pot to pee in... Which is it???

Plenty of tory boys 'n girls saying there was no need for the cash as DUP would've voted with them anyway...
 
Hacker Khan said:
I'd argue perception trumps the inner working of cross party committees. I do have a moral problem with having to make teaching staff redundant (which I have done) in the name of 'austerity' where as a billion extra is suddenly found (after all the magic money tree garbage the Tories were coming out with) on top of the half a billion that was already going, and will go to one region purely to prop up the government. Absolutely no issues with money like this being spent but the way a region/country gets that money where as others do not, to me, is morally wrong. It is the process that sticks in my throat, not the fact that people in NI will have more to spend on public services and infrastructure.
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Morals 'v' expediency is a difficult one to reconcile. Idealism can get in the way of what is actually achievable. Is it right to spend x on Trident and 2 new carriers but cut the disabled workers programme? Is it possible to have both, but in smaller formats?

I don't envy you in having to lay staff off. I have had to lay off several staff in the last year, 4 in two weeks a month ago. It can come at a heavy price to the manager too. Sitting across from someone who has been married less than 2 weeks and is saving up for a house, and telling them they are no longer required... was it morally wrong to lay them off when the company doesn't have enough work, even though we're not making a loss - not much profit either.
 
IanM said:
You know who runs the media when the antidote to the Government that left a note saying "sorry we spent all the money" gets branded "Austerity!" :D
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Every outgoing Chancellor, going back many years, has left tongue in cheek notes. This one, unfortunately, has been used as a political weapon even though its now 7 years ago... too many people being too literal about so many things.
 
Hobbit said:
Every outgoing Chancellor, going back many years, has left tongue in cheek notes. This one, unfortunately, has been used as a political weapon even though its now 7 years ago... too many people being too literal about so many things.
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True, trouble is that the bank statements and golf reserves docket said the same thing! :whoo:
 
IanM said:
You know who runs the media when the antidote to the Government that left a note saying "sorry we spent all the money" gets branded "Austerity!" :D
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The reason they are branded the austerity party is because David Cameron said in a Keynote speech 'The age of irresponsibility is giving way to the age of austerity.' http://conservative-speeches.sayit.mysociety.org/speech/601367 . His chancellor at the time George Osborne then started to introduce 'austerity' programs in the budget to cut public spending that have continued to this day. Hence the reason they are branded the party of austerity, the called themselves that. It is not a conspiracy by the lefties at the BBC.
 
Hacker Khan said:
The reason they are branded the austerity party is because David Cameron said in a Keynote speech 'The age of irresponsibility is giving way to the age of austerity.' http://conservative-speeches.sayit.mysociety.org/speech/601367 . His chancellor at the time George Osborne then started to introduce 'austerity' programs in the budget to cut public spending that have continued to this day. Hence the reason they are branded the party of austerity, the called themselves that. It is not a conspiracy by the lefties at the BBC.
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Good recall! Should have said "Tory Cuts!"
 
Hacker Khan said:
The reason they are branded the austerity party is because David Cameron said in a Keynote speech 'The age of irresponsibility is giving way to the age of austerity.' http://conservative-speeches.sayit.mysociety.org/speech/601367 . His chancellor at the time George Osborne then started to introduce 'austerity' programs in the budget to cut public spending that have continued to this day. Hence the reason they are branded the party of austerity, the called themselves that. It is not a conspiracy by the lefties at the BBC.
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Where does it say "we are the austerity party"? Who would give themselves such a negative name? That's just spin on your part.

The depth and breadth of those cuts have gone too far in some areas, and maybe they could have cut spending more slowly or looked to other areas to make the saving. But they didn't brand themselves as the austerity party.

I don't like what they've done, and are doing, and I won't vote for them at present but I prefer to deal in facts when it comes to giving them labels.
 
That's the Tories voting to retain the PS cap.
Sobering thought is that they would not have won the vote without their 13 Scottish MP's.

That would be the same 13 politicians, led by Colonel Davidson, who were recently making loud noises about the Scottish Government's cap on nurses pay, allegedly forcing some of them to use food banks.
[note..... Scottish nurses are on higher salary levels than nurses in rUK]
 
Doon frae Troon said:
That's the Tories voting to retain the PS cap.
Sobering thought is that they would not have won the vote without their 13 Scottish MP's.

That would be the same 13 politicians, led by Colonel Davidson, who were recently making loud noises about the Scottish Government's cap on nurses pay, allegedly forcing some of them to use food banks.
[note..... Scottish nurses are on higher salary levels than nurses in rUK]
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Your prejudices sometimes trip you up. What about the SNP MPs in parliament that supported Jeezer yesterday in an increase on public sector pay while the SNP in Scotland rejected increases in nurses pay in Scotland.
 
Old Skier said:
Your prejudices sometimes trip you up. What about the SNP MPs in parliament that supported Jeezer yesterday in an increase on public sector pay while the SNP in Scotland rejected increases in nurses pay in Scotland.
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And in today's news. Scotland are a week away from entering a recession, whilst the rest of the UK is showing growth... good old SNP... a drink in a brewery/organising.
 
Hobbit said:
And in today's news. Scotland are a week away from entering a recession, whilst the rest of the UK is showing growth... good old SNP...
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No doubt the usual suspect will be along shortly to explain that it's not the fault of the SNP but is in fact the Tories fault.
 
The cheers coming from the Tories as the results were announced from the vote on Public sector pay rise' was disgusting.
 
Made me chuckle :D


'I have to admit that if Corbyn's Labour party were a football team, I would support them. After all, entrance would be free, pie and a pint would be free, you could religiously chant the manager's name whilst screaming that the opposition were scum. You would know that every game would end in a glorious victory even if the other team scored more goals. To cap it off, you could go home and watch Match of the Day in the secure knowledge that however badly the team had played the BBC would edit the highlights to make them look brilliant.'
 
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