Football World Cup Draw For Brazil 2014

Liverpoolphil said:
I love football - massive Liverpool fan who has seen players go away on international duty for England and come back injured and not be able to play for the club who pay his wages, meaningless friendliest that disrupt club football ( that's not just England ). The sooner England get knocked out the longer rest in the summer players like Gerrard and Johnson get. Club before country every single time. The negativity towards the national team isn't a rare thing around Liverpool.
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Hope Johnson gets the whole summer off TBH
 
chrisd said:
Just for the record

I support England whether it's the football, cricket, rugby, cycling, athletics, darts, underwater scrabble - you name it I want us to win. I get quite offended by wassocks who, just because they don't like a sport, want the national team to fail or pretend they do for the sake of winding others up. I am not stupid enough to expect us to win every game or sport we play but my national pride wants us to partake and do well.

I am England through and through and proud to be so.
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Likewise me and Scotland - can't imagine not supporting a Scot or a Scottish national side in any sport - or even worse wanting them to lose - unimaginable. Whilst I might not be a great fan of highly paid footballers per se, when they pull on the Scotland shirt they are representing my country and they will get my full and unconditional support - and even if they are rubbish and I might not like individual players I will desperately want the team to be successful (and that's not just winning)

And I want England to get to the final. When that happens ask me then who I want to win the final.
 
chrisd said:
Just for the record

I support England whether it's the football, cricket, rugby, cycling, athletics, darts, underwater scrabble - you name it I want us to win. I get quite offended by wassocks who, just because they don't like a sport, want the national team to fail or pretend they do for the sake of winding others up. I am not stupid enough to expect us to win every game or sport we play but my national pride wants us to partake and do well.

I am England through and through and proud to be so.
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Well said that man. Cannot imagine why others would think any different.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I love football - massive Liverpool fan who has seen players go away on international duty for England and come back injured and not be able to play for the club who pay his wages, meaningless friendliest that disrupt club football ( that's not just England ). The sooner England get knocked out the longer rest in the summer players like Gerrard and Johnson get. Club before country every single time. The negativity towards the national team isn't a rare thing around Liverpool.
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Well you'd not be surprised that I totally disagree with you.

Representing your country is the highest honour that anyone can achieve and it's very sad to me that the people of Liverpool don't share my view (apparently) I think that you should be proud that you have so many fine players who get selected to play for their countries. Your attitude is very narrow minded and selfish I'm sorry to say!
 
chrisd said:
Well you'd not be surprised that I totally disagree with you.

Representing your country is the highest honour that anyone can achieve and it's very sad to me that the people of Liverpool don't share my view (apparently) I think that you should be proud that you have so many fine players who get selected to play for their countries. Your attitude is very narrow minded and selfish I'm sorry to say!
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That's fine - got no problems with you disagreeing with that.

But it was always be club before country for me - it's the clubs that pay their wages and it's the clubs that suffer when they get injured on international duty. I'm a Liverpool fan not an England fan - could never support players from teams that I hate with a passion amongst many reasons.
 
therod said:
Luckily even though you have an opinion, it really doesn't count for much. Ask Stevie G what he wants to do this summer.
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Hence why I want them knocked out so he is back quickly. Should have retired a while back to concentrate on his club career instead of suffering after internationals like he has done because he can't manage 2/3 games in 7 days. I want him to put the club that pay his wages and the fans that help pay those wages first.
 
Pin-seeker said:
Yes because let's face it,it's England's fault that Liverpool are a bang average team & can't get in the top 4.
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Sorry but that has zero relevance but to try and stir and the sort of response you get from a school kid
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Hence why I want them knocked out so he is back quickly. Should have retired a while back to concentrate on his club career instead of suffering after internationals like he has done because he can't manage 2/3 games in 7 days. I want him to put the club that pay his wages and the fans that help pay those wages first.
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Surely you'd want him to get some success with England, he's not gonna get much at anfield:D
 
Liverpoolphil said:
That's fine - got no problems with you disagreeing with that.

But it was always be club before country for me - it's the clubs that pay their wages and it's the clubs that suffer when they get injured on international duty. I'm a Liverpool fan not an England fan - could never support players from teams that I hate with a passion amongst many reasons.
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You're no more a Liverpool fan than I am a Palace fan, but my country comes first. Enmity towards players from other clubs disappear as soon they come together for the country's cause. The clubs only pay their wages to a certain extent as we, the fans of football, pay their wages through Sky subscriptions that filter down to the clubs. Liverpool wouldn't survive on the income from gate receipts and pie sales.

I too hate with a passion some other teams but that doesn't apply to individual players who are, after all, just hired staff to the team and just kiss the badge until their contracts are terminated and they then kiss a different one!
 
Liverpoolphil said:
That's fine - got no problems with you disagreeing with that.

But it was always be club before country for me - it's the clubs that pay their wages and it's the clubs that suffer when they get injured on international duty. I'm a Liverpool fan not an England fan - could never support players from teams that I hate with a passion amongst many reasons.
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Amongst your hated teams are Chelsea and Man City part of the list
 
chrisd said:
You're no more a Liverpool fan than I am a Palace fan, but my country comes first. Enmity towards players from other clubs disappear as soon they come together for the country's cause. The clubs only pay their wages to a certain extent as we, the fans of football, pay their wages through Sky subscriptions that filter down to the clubs. Liverpool wouldn't survive on the income from gate receipts and pie sales.

I too hate with a passion some other teams but that doesn't apply to individual players who are, after all, just hired staff to the team and just kiss the badge until their contracts are terminated and they then kiss a different one!
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Well we are going into the make up of modern football which is an interesting debate itself and one I can see areas where we would agree.

As a kid I used to love watching the World Cup with England - there was no hype , no golden generation bollocks , just talented players with a level headed manager ( Bobby ) . I even went to 96 but then Beckham arrived and the media circus just grew and I just grew to hate the England National team and the hype the went along with it. That might change in the future who knows but I have no effinity to the England Football Team.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Well we are going into the make up of modern football which is an interesting debate itself and one I can see areas where we would agree.

As a kid I used to love watching the World Cup with England - there was no hype , no golden generation bollocks , just talented players with a level headed manager ( Bobby ) . I even went to 96 but then Beckham arrived and the media circus just grew and I just grew to hate the England National team and the hype the went along with it. That might change in the future who knows but I have no effinity to the England Football Team.
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No different to the hype of individual clubs, Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea, Man City, they all get hyped up at various times. I Also hate Man U as you clearly do, but when Beckham played for England he was a top man as was Bobby Charlton and so is Rooney today. I feel that the national team is such that anyone who refuses to play should be permanently excluded when they decide to, later, announce their sudden availability and that if a club side pulls a player without absolute proof of injury then the player should be unable to play for their club for a minimum of two games, and that no club manager should be able to refuse a player when a national manager calls them up!
 
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