Tashyboy
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Am sure preferred lies don’t mean improved lies.How positive are you on this comment?
How else would you define the "preferred lies" period that is adopted during the winter months at most clubs!?
Fairway mats
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backwoodsman
Tour Winner
Really?Am sure preferred lies don’t mean improved lies.
Mel Smooth
Hacker
It's winter golf, you use a mat, or you tee it up on the best piece of grass within the vicinity of your ball. If everybody does that, than surely there's no issue?
I use my spurk mar for most situations, it gives a huge advantage when you are trying to hit a picth shot into a green, and it avoids those 'sucky' fairway wood shots off muddy lies. Again, if the option is to use one, and you feel it gives you an advantage, then why wouldn't you use one?
I use my spurk mar for most situations, it gives a huge advantage when you are trying to hit a picth shot into a green, and it avoids those 'sucky' fairway wood shots off muddy lies. Again, if the option is to use one, and you feel it gives you an advantage, then why wouldn't you use one?
2blue
Journeyman Pro
^^^^^ This all the while.... means you can at least get some enjoyment from Winter golf & even continue with qualifiers if your Club embraces the Exceptional Weather conditions adjustments that EngGolf make available.
Tashyboy
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And that should close the thread on mats, the operative word is Enjoyment
Mandofred
Well-known member
Golf is not about enjoyment.....fool. It's about....stuff.....and clubs....and acting proper.And that should close the thread on mats, the operative word is Enjoyment
PaulMdj
Well-known member
The irony of this Tashy me man, you’ve been talking about penalties and governance earlier in this thread.And that should close the thread on mats, the operative word is Enjoyment
2blue
Journeyman Pro
"Governance"..... now that is a very long word that has no place in this thread!!The irony of this Tashy me man, you’ve been talking about penalties and governance earlier in this thread.
Tashyboy
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Not really, surely the enjoyment of golf is enhanced in the cold wet miserable months of winter by using a mat. It becomes un enjoyable when folks cheat by using an aid. If a player can tee up his shot by using a mat, why not tee it up with a tee.The irony of this Tashy me man, you’ve been talking about penalties and governance earlier in this thread.
Tashyboy
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Back in a minute when Ave googled it"Governance"..... now that is a very long word that has no place in this thread!!
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
During winter we will sometimes (often?...not sure) be able to set up the course to be WHS compliant - conditions and winter work often make that not possible - and on these days scores can be submitted. However I believe that use of my Spurk (or any other mat) is not permitted if I wish too submit a card at such times.
PaulMdj
Well-known member
Nice to see you posting mate, hope all is well."Governance"..... now that is a very long word that has no place in this thread!!
PaulMdj
Well-known member
It’s not cheating if it’s the same for everybody, every type of mat gives an advantage to the golfer.Not really, surely the enjoyment of golf is enhanced in the cold wet miserable months of winter by using a mat. It becomes un enjoyable when folks cheat by using an aid. If a player can tee up his shot by using a mat, why not tee it up with a tee.
Some are overthinking winter golf.
PaulMdj
Well-known member
Yes they are permitted so long as the course meets the other qualifying criteria.
woofers
Medal Winner
My understanding is that it’s OK provided the club / committee have “Compulsory Use of Fairway Mats” in operation, (not I’ve got one so I’ll use it regardless).
howbow88
Hacker
I recently got the short Spurk mat. It is so good, that it feels like cheating. In fact, I'm a little bit concerned about going back to real grass.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
We don't (use is by choice) - and so I'm thinking that my club doesn't allow mats for club comps unless it's a KO match and all players in their match agree to their use.
Flashheart8
New member
Thoughts on this please.
I played a Winter comp this year where fairway mats were compulsory, I reached the final against a player that used a folded over soft mat as well as a normal mat, the folded mat was used for driver use on the fairway as held the ball at driver tee height with the ball placed at the back, so a par 5 was two hits of the driver and one putt for an eagle which would be no way possible without mat use. He said there are no rules covering this, if not there needs to be but even so I don't think this is in the spirit of the game.
I played a Winter comp this year where fairway mats were compulsory, I reached the final against a player that used a folded over soft mat as well as a normal mat, the folded mat was used for driver use on the fairway as held the ball at driver tee height with the ball placed at the back, so a par 5 was two hits of the driver and one putt for an eagle which would be no way possible without mat use. He said there are no rules covering this, if not there needs to be but even so I don't think this is in the spirit of the game.
Model Local Rule E12 outlines the use of fairway mats, and whilst it does not specifically state that mats cannot be folded in the manner described, it does say that if a tee is used to secure the mat to the ground, the ball cannot be placed on it. That would IMPLY that a mat cannot be used to tee the ball up, although that is only how I have interpreted it.
This really is one for either the rules experts here, or for your club to resolve. I imagine that the use of mats was accompanied by a local rule?
Regardless, my common sense view has to be that the use of a mat in this manner, irrespective of ruling, has to be some sort of breach of etiquette at the very least. It’s just not right.
KenL
Tour Rookie
Is it possible to ask the R&A?
