• Thank you all very much for sharing your time with us in 2025. We hope you all have a safe and happy 2026!

F1 2021

Neilds said:
With regard to Lewis Hamilton and his many engines that he has used this year (cheating? :unsure:) can anyone explain why he got a 10 place penalty for the first extra engine and only 5 places for the 2nd? Surely the 2nd rule breach should have a stricter penalty as it was a repeat offence.
Click to expand...

Ironically they were the rules put in place because of the Honda engines only lasting half a race. It’s 10 places for the 4th ICE then 5 places for each subsequent component of the PU.

Can’t see how it’s considered cheating when they are just following the rules. Redbull have also used more than their original allocation of PU components.

Max has actually use more PU components than Lewis this season according to the page below.

https://www.f1-fansite.com/2021-f1-season/2021-used-f1-power-unit-elements/
 
21FCA5F9-3B0C-4208-B7C1-DD8CA42202F8.png

Some nice additions to the Race Director’s notes for this weekend.
Translated to, please behave yourselves Redbull and Jos ?
 
ColchesterFC said:
I'm no fan of Hamilton but Verstappen does come across as a whiney little child at times....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59593834
Click to expand...
Saw that and thought the same thing.

Seems, to me, that he needs some sort of 'father figure' - who he will respect and can turn the 'aggression' volume down ever so slightly, or at least focus it more productively. And perhaps even accept that he/they are not as fast/slick as the opposition - and address that 'problem'. From ancient memory, Hamilton acted similarly in his early days too, but he found a team/a team was created that was both fast and 'relaxed'. I'm certain Nicki Lauda is able to provide that sort of 'temperance balancing' role for them where required. It's slightly disappointing that both teams #2 drivers are 'so far off the pace' (they are not really, just not quite as outstanding as the #1s).
 
Last edited:
cliveb said:
He does have a father figure. It's his father. And Jos is as bad as the rest of them (Horner, Marko) in thinking his boy can do no wrong.
Click to expand...

Hid dad was convicted of assault in October 2000 over an incident at a karting track in 1998 in which a man suffered a fractured skull.

In 2008, he was fined and sentenced to three months suspended jail time for harassment and assault against his ex-wife

In 2011 he apparently had an argument with his 24-year-old ex-girlfriend. The paper says that he then deliberately struck her with his car, leaving her heavy bruises and abrasions. She was then taken to the hospital. Verstappen later reported to the police station where he was arrested.

Not the best role model
 
bobmac said:
Hid dad was convicted of assault in October 2000 over an incident at a karting track in 1998 in which a man suffered a fractured skull.

In 2008, he was fined and sentenced to three months suspended jail time for harassment and assault against his ex-wife

In 2011 he apparently had an argument with his 24-year-old ex-girlfriend. The paper says that he then deliberately struck her with his car, leaving her heavy bruises and abrasions. She was then taken to the hospital. Verstappen later reported to the police station where he was arrested.

Not the best role model
Click to expand...
Suddenly have a little more empathy for Max Verstappen. With a father like that, he never really stood a chance. Explains a lot.

However, I probably want Max to win even less than I did now, if that was possible. Just to annoy Jos.
 
I wonder if Red Bull's B Team will have any bearing on things this weekend? Gasly is quick enough to be close to the front of the grid and could well be involved if things get "interesting" in the early laps. I'm absolutely certain that if Verstappen finds himself behind an Alpha Tauri at any point during the race it will be the easiest overtake he's ever made.

Tbh I can't believe that Red Bull have been allowed to run 2 teams for years.
 
Beedee said:
I wonder if Red Bull's B Team will have any bearing on things this weekend? Gasly is quick enough to be close to the front of the grid and could well be involved if things get "interesting" in the early laps. I'm absolutely certain that if Verstappen finds himself behind an Alpha Tauri at any point during the race it will be the easiest overtake he's ever made.

Tbh I can't believe that Red Bull have been allowed to run 2 teams for years.
Click to expand...

This general quote relates to football:

"A key aspect of the sporting world is to protect the integrity of the competition. If there is not a fair competition in the sporting context, this overshadows the sporting contest. It is therefore felt that if two football clubs are playing in the same competition and are owned by the same person or business this could diminish the integrity of the competition"

I guess the same logic does not apply to F1? And, I guess most fans can overlook it, as the main Red Bull team and Mercedes are so far ahead of the other teams at the moment. However, it is true. There is little incentive for Gasly to fight it out, or make things difficult for the main Red Bull team. In fact, it is counter productive. If he makes things a little tricky for Max, he'll probably get a big slap on the wrist, if he crashed with Max that would be an absolute shocker from him. However, the same can not be said if he was to come up against Hamilton. In fact, if he crashed with Hamilton, I doubt his bosses would be as upset as if he crashed with Max. In fact, he might even privately get a nice little Xmas bonus.
 
Canary_Yellow said:
Is there anything to be read into FP1? Do the teams turn down their engines to protect them?
Click to expand...

They will be using old engines and gear boxes today, saving the fresher parts for Saturday and Sunday.

I very much doubt either we’re showing their true pace, both will have just been working on setup and the track temperature isn’t representative. FP2 will probably be a better guide as to the likely pace, but we won’t truly know till Q3.
 
BiMGuy said:
They will be using old engines and gear boxes today, saving the fresher parts for Saturday and Sunday.

I very much doubt either we’re showing their true pace, both will have just been working on setup and the track temperature isn’t representative. FP2 will probably be a better guide as to the likely pace, but we won’t truly know till Q3.
Click to expand...

Thanks, that's what I thought.

Race engine in tomorrow for FP3 and qualifying?

Appears that Mercedes have the pace on the straights in FP1, it's going to be interesting
 
cliveb said:
He does have a father figure. It's his father. And Jos is as bad as the rest of them (Horner, Marko) in thinking his boy can do no wrong.
Click to expand...
bobmac said:
...
Not the best role model
Click to expand...
Yes, having considered whether to mention Jos and his 'incidents', I figured it was better to simply leave all reference to him out!
But Max DOES need some sort of 'proper' 'moderator' imo. It's too late to be as Hamilton had (though that wasn't always 'plain sailing'), but a previous champion (Jos was never quite good enough imo) driver might be a worthwhile investment for RB.
 
Imagine if you can...
Last minute of qualifying on Saturday.
Max has stuck it on provisional pole and Lewis is going for the big one.
Suddenly, one of the Alpha Tauris has a bit of a wobble on coming into sector three and the yellows are waved, thereby cocking up his attempt at pole position.
Nah ...too far fetched to even think about isn't it???
?????
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Don Barzini
Christmas 2025
14 15 16
Replies
319
Views
7K
kp17
kp17
Orikoru
Any Plumbers Out There? Bathroom Tap Question
Replies
9
Views
1K
GreiginFife
GreiginFife
Golfmmad
Selling a car!
2
Replies
20
Views
2K
Marshy77
M
N
Wireless LAN connectivity issues after EE broadband upgrade
2
Replies
25
Views
3K
Neilds
N
splashtryagain
Tyre help please 👃
2
Replies
25
Views
2K
Deleted member 21784
D
Top