USER1999
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I thought the Chinese were using cfc for insulation foam, not air con? Same problems, clearly, but different use.
Extinction rebellion
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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I support their intentions; I have some reservations about the extent they are going and the continuation - though a quick point made is often easily forgotten by those impacted; but I am not sure that I would do something at risk of arrest and conviction - and the protesters are willing to make that sacrifice for their beliefs. And I am not sure that we are all willing to make such a significant personal 'sacrifice' in the cause of tackling global warming - and these folks are.
Tashyboy
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Seen an excellent piece on Oz TV today re ER. In essence I never knew it was British based formed by three folk. 2 guys and a woman. One of the guys who put up for EU elections but was blown out..now admittedly wants to bring anarchy to the political system. They interviewed some of the marchers who quite frankly came across as thick as pig ***. In Oz where ER are causing probs in Sydney, brisbane and Melborne. They quote Bush fires as proof of global warming. Top university professors have ridiculed it as rubbish. In fact police are looking for arsonists who set off some of the fires. A prominent activist has been arrested for the 11th time today in oz. He is massively anti establishment, yet he lives off benefits what the establishment pays for. Not saying they have a case but they way they go about it is not doing there cause any good.
bobmac
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I admire your drive for electric cars and renewable energy Bob, but that isn’t the biggest problem and focusing on it won’t solve the issue.
The World as a whole is using far to many of its resources for the huge mainstream of tech and new products the consumer wants.
Energy is just a cog in the wheel of the World. The World is wanting new cars every 3 years, new phones every 18 months, new golf club every year or 2......the list is endless and always the new products are sold and made more cheaply so the consumer will buy it and not repair the old item because they’re told it’s “inefficient†and parts made deliberately cost prohibitive compared to a new product.
I work in the white goods industry, and when Instrated a Zanussi washing machine was around £180. 37 years later you can get a washing machine for that if not a fraction more. You can tell me it’s more “efficientâ€, but when it breaks you won’t be able to repair it without serious expense, if at all. So you buy another cheap washing machine.
How does that mindset work?
I’ve seen perfectly good machine scrapped because the repair bill is about a half of the cost of a new machine, but I know the old machine is better made, more robust, more repairable and will probably actually last longer than 5he new cheap machine they will buy.
I accept the climate is changing, and things need to change for everyone’s sake, but unless you take every one in every country along the same path at the same time you won’t alter the situation. It’s all very well protesting in country’s that allow free speech, it’s another thing getting countries that don’t allow it to change and that should be the target. We’ve already seen what one country can do to targets and goals with China and its illegal manufacture of CFC gases for their air con system that are being made and installed in huge numbers, the ozone hole in the Southern Hemisphere has increased markedly after years of shrinking, and the reason can be easily mapped.
Do you think the Chinese government is going to listen to those blocking streets in a few free speech cities in other countries? Of course not.
Anyway I’ve said my piece
1. I didn't mention electric cars.
2. I've already said what a small part of China is doing is wrong. Hebei and Shandong
3. And if you think repairing a washing machine is more important than clean air and having electricity then I'm done.
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"Zion Lights". Now that's a name that you put forward as a spokes person if you don't want people to take you seriously.
SocketRocket
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All those people you mention told us something we didnt know, this current rabble keep dishing up things we are quite aware of. If they want to aspire to the likes of Einstein or Pasteur then do more than glueing yourself to a bus.
Reemul
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Your reply totally misses the point he is making and exactly sums up why we won't solve this issue currently. It is not about the washing machine itself it's about the culture of our world and the expectation we have and our need for want want want.
It really is like brexit you know. The remainers put out such a shite message they lost the vote and we are in danger of losing the message amoung all the hyperbole and rubbish. People do not need an excuse to ignore it presently so we really need to give them as little reason to as it is and instead the way the message is portrayed can and does put many people off or chooses to ignore them.
bobmac
Major Champion
I know what the point was, I just think he's wrong.
its those pesky caravans and motorhomes, not doubt driven by fat rugby players
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
Too damn right. On their way to the pub to boot.
Lazkir
Head Pro
Bunkermagnet
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Fair enough Bob, if you can't see the connection between a cheap throwaway society and climate change then I have misjudged you.
bobmac
Major Champion
So people don't recycle cars, phones, batteries, white goods etc?
The bottom line is, it doesn't matter if you keep your stuff for ever, you're still going to need electricity/diesel/petrol to run them.
Where will that come from when fossil fuels run out?
And how much will the price go up as it starts to run out.
If you don't think planning ahead for the future without fossil fuels is important then fair enough but there are many who do and fortunately, most of them are in laboratories and not glued to railings.
If the real protesters (not swampy and his mates) want to protest, they should be outside Hinkley Point C
The bottom line is, it doesn't matter if you keep your stuff for ever, you're still going to need electricity/diesel/petrol to run them.
Where will that come from when fossil fuels run out?
And how much will the price go up as it starts to run out.
If you don't think planning ahead for the future without fossil fuels is important then fair enough but there are many who do and fortunately, most of them are in laboratories and not glued to railings.
If the real protesters (not swampy and his mates) want to protest, they should be outside Hinkley Point C
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Surely Hinkley Point C is not where they should be protesting.
bobmac
Major Champion
Because it won't be ready until the end of 2025 at the earliest, will cost £22bn and be the most expensive fuel available.
Not to mention the cost of the nuclear waste disposal and guarding and if something does go pop, you might as well close the bottom left corner of Britain.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
2025 is better than never.
Isn't the cost being borne mainly by private equity (China) ?
How many Nuclear Power Stations have we built and how many quadrants of the UK have they zapped?
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
The new power station being built has guaranteed prices 3 times above what is currently available. It is expensive electricity.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Better than none though and what about all these electric cars that will need recharging.
Lazkir
Head Pro
Complete a**ehole Essex nobs who want to put the great unwashed back in their places. Because lets face it, if they got their way it would really mean that only the wealthy would be able to afford to drive and fly. The rest of us would have to go back to doffing our caps.
bobmac
Major Champion
Better than none?
So if Hinkley was cancelled, we'd have no electricity?
Last week, prices for new wind power delivered by 2025 were set at prices as low as £40 per megawatt hour and falling. By comparison, power from Hinkley Point C is expected to cost £92.50 per megawatt hour and rising
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49823305
The set price is high enough for EDF Energy to remain in line for healthy shareholder returns from the Hinkley Point project despite its rising costs.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/sep/25/hinkley-point-nuclear-plant-to-run-29m-over-budget
None yet.
How many suicide bombers would it take?
And not forgetting all that lovely nuclear waste...
Most nuclear waste produced is hazardous, due to its radioactivity, for only a few tens of years and is routinely disposed of in near-surface disposal facilities (see above). Only a small volume of nuclear waste (~3% of the total volume) is long-lived and highly radioactive and requires isolation from the environment for many thousands of years.
https://www.world-nuclear.org/infor...s/radioactive-wastes-myths-and-realities.aspx
Can you provide any reason why nuclear energy will be better than renewable energy in the years to come?
