European Union

[Foxholer]

A professional person of letters ? What does that mean...

Well, a 'man of letters' originally applied to someone who could read and write, then went through a couple of other meanings before becoming an (outdated) description for an 'intellectual'! What a 'Professional Intellectual' is (or does), I have no idea! A literary equivalent of Stephen Hawking perhaps?

It's unclear, through ambiguity, whether Socket is describing himself or Ethan though. I wouldn't describe either of them that way - Ethan is more a 'man of numbers' from what I understand. The failure to identify the Irish flag and the incorrect use of 'birth rite' wouldn't help Socket's case for being one either!

Anyway, back on EU....
From the numbers I've seen, France takes over twice as many Asylum seekers than UK and Germany over 4 times as many! There are obviously differences in how these cases are handled, but it's pretty clearly stated that UK's benefits are not the reason that Asylum seekers head for UK. It's more likely to be the fact that they have some English language skills!

 

[c1973]

I took it to mean someone who has letters after their name, due to qualifications and being a member of a certified body. No?

 

[Foxholer]

I took it to mean someone who has letters after their name, due to qualifications and being a member of a certified body. No?

Something of a myth apparently. That was what I used to think it was.

Letters as in literacy! A question in a Televised Schools Quiz comp many (45) years ago! One of 2 I missed - the other being because of my inability to remember the name of 'A Midsummer Night's Dream' even though I'd seen it a week or 2 earlier being the other - the question being 'in which of Shakespeare's play is a Wall a character'!

 

[Slime]

Anyway, back on EU....
From the numbers I've seen, France takes over twice as many Asylum seekers than UK and Germany over 4 times as many! There are obviously differences in how these cases are handled, but it's pretty clearly stated that UK's benefits are not the reason that Asylum seekers head for UK. It's more likely to be the fact that they have some English language skills!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:


Slime.

 

[SocketRocket]

I took it to mean someone who has letters after their name, due to qualifications and being a member of a certified body. No?

Correct. He is a medical Doctor.

 

[SocketRocket]

Well, a 'man of letters' originally applied to someone who could read and write, then went through a couple of other meanings before becoming an (outdated) description for an 'intellectual'! What a 'Professional Intellectual' is (or does), I have no idea! A literary equivalent of Stephen Hawking perhaps?

It's unclear, through ambiguity, whether Socket is describing himself or Ethan though. I wouldn't describe either of them that way - Ethan is more a 'man of numbers' from what I understand. The failure to identify the Irish flag and the incorrect use of 'birth rite' wouldn't help Socket's case for being one either!

Anyway, back on EU....
From the numbers I've seen, France takes over twice as many Asylum seekers than UK and Germany over 4 times as many! There are obviously differences in how these cases are handled, but it's pretty clearly stated that UK's benefits are not the reason that Asylum seekers head for UK. It's more likely to be the fact that they have some English language skills!

Why dont you grow up. You have been running this stupid game of following my every post and making negative comments for months now. I am not sure why you are doing this but it's getting very much like a stalking policy and beyond boring now.

 

[Foxholer]

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:


Slime.

Perhaps you might reflect that Syria is the greatest source of Asylum seekers bound for EU.

Not altogether unconnected with this thread! http://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/showthread.php?71152-R-I-P-Alan-Henning


Try putting the DM (or Sun) down and get some facts - with evidence...
http://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/policy_research/the_truth_about_asylum/facts_about_asylum_-_page_1 or
http://www.salford.gov.uk/asylum-myths.htm

 

[SocketRocket]

Not a great deal of difference is there and I did admit I may have it wrong but you just have to jump in with a schoolboy reply Foxholer!

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[Deleted member 18588]

Perhaps you might reflect that Syria is the greatest source of Asylum seekers bound for EU.

Not altogether unconnected with this thread! http://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/showthread.php?71152-R-I-P-Alan-Henning


Try putting the DM (or Sun) down and get some facts - with evidence...
http://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/policy_research/the_truth_about_asylum/facts_about_asylum_-_page_1 or
http://www.salford.gov.uk/asylum-myths.htm

Is there evidence to support your claim that the largest number of those seeking asylum in the UK originate from Syria?

 

[Foxholer]

Is there evidence to support your claim that the largest number of those seeking asylum in the UK originate from Syria?

EU!

And yes! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24636868

2013 stats, but that'll be the latest - article was quite recent!

Ukraine and Iraq might feature higher in this years numbers, but Syria probably still tops There might also be a weighting towards France because of possible language/commercial associations, but both those statements are pure 'possible' speculation by me.

Edit: Here's the numbers for Asylum seekers to UK. http://www.migrationobservatory.ox....Briefing - Migration to the UK - Asylum_0.pdf Page 7. Pakistan top; Syria 4th

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Correct. He is a medical Doctor.

So what relevance does you bring a doctor have in regards the subject about the European Union ?

Unless you are trying to suggest something ?

 

[SocketRocket]

So what relevance does you bring a doctor have in regards the subject about the European Union ?

Unless you are trying to suggest something ?

Dont believe the conversation was directed to you. If you want to understand more then read the threads.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Dont believe the conversation was directed to you. If you want to understand more then read the threads.

Oh sorry didnt realise this public thread was only directed towards certain people and only they can respond

And can certainly understand exactly what you are suggesting

 

[SocketRocket]

Oh sorry didnt realise this public thread was only directed towards certain people and only they can respond

And can certainly understand exactly what you are suggesting

Thats OK. I forgive you :smirk:

 

[Deleted member 18588]

EU!

And yes! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24636868

2013 stats, but that'll be the latest - article was quite recent!

Ukraine and Iraq might feature higher in this years numbers, but Syria probably still tops There might also be a weighting towards France because of possible language/commercial associations, but both those statements are pure 'possible' speculation by me.

Edit: Here's the numbers for Asylum seekers to UK. http://www.migrationobservatory.ox....Briefing - Migration to the UK - Asylum_0.pdf Page 7. Pakistan top; Syria 4th

It is, of course, largely irrelevant which country asylum seekers originate from. However, without wishing to be a pedant I should point out that the figures quoted are for those seeking asylum within the EU as a whole and not specifically the UK.

What is interesting is that those figures do not back up those who claim that this country is being expected to accept more than its "fair share" with there being approx four times as many arriving in Germany and twice as many in France.

One difficulty that seems insoluble is distinguishing between true asylum seekers and economic migrants with the result that some sections of society do not appear compassionate towards those fleeing persecution for their religion, political beliefs or ethnicity. This is very sad as historically this country has generally provided a safe haven for such people.

 

[Foxholer]

...However, without wishing to be a pedant I should point out that the figures quoted are for those seeking asylum within the EU as a whole and not specifically the UK.

<Pedant Mode> The 2nd reference - after the Edit.... IS specifically UK figures! </Pedant Mode>

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What is interesting is that those figures do not back up those who claim that this country is being expected to accept more than its "fair share" with there being approx four times as many arriving in Germany and twice as many in France.
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I agree - as I posted earlier.

It (incidents like Calais) does provide ammo for headlines for the likes of the Daily Mail and UKIP - and even the Mayor of Calais a while ago!

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One difficulty that seems insoluble is distinguishing between true asylum seekers and economic migrants with the result that some sections of society do not appear compassionate towards those fleeing persecution for their religion, political beliefs or ethnicity. This is very sad as historically this country has generally provided a safe haven for such people.

Again, totally agree. Distinct difference between the 2 if originating outside EU.

However EU's fundamental 'freedom of movement' policy does not differentiate for EU citizens. That is a debate that is legitimate for the likes of UKIP. I don't believe the Asylum one is!

 

[Hacker Khan]

My point is regarding the stock Daily Mail reader accusation to anyone who not holding a socialist viewpoint.

But have you seen todays Daily Mail!!!

 

[SocketRocket]

But have you seen todays Daily Mail!!!

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I did notice it as I crossed the forecourt of the petrol station. :smirk:

 

[bluewolf]

But have you seen todays Daily Mail!!!

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You do appear to have mixed up your media outlets though.. The Spider obsession, coupled with the weather angle would solidly suggest a Daily Express/Daily Star bias. Everything else is definitely the Mail though....

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

It's also a pity so many get the European thingies mixed up. So for instance the ECHR (human rights thingy) is a Council of Europe thing - not EU - though the EU have acceded to it. And of course when discussing the EU the Tories and UKIP fling in issues with the ECHR. Indeed Chris Graylings take on Human Rights recently expressed is interesting in that he complains that 'the Human Rights Act supports the rights of the few over the rights of the many' - and this as a problem rather than a virtue? - a bit scary as this is the whole point of protecting an individual's human rights.