EU Referendum

[jp5]

I've not got the time read all 48(!) pages, but just in case it's not yet been mentioned;

Both Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin are all for the Brexit campaign....If that's not reason enough to vote to stay in, I don't know what is. :thup:

I don't think there's been any comment on the EU referendum from Russia or Putin?

As for Trump, don't think you can say he's "all for Brexit". Think he expressed a preference but it wasn't a recommendation, and definitely no threat as to our future relationship if we were to stay in!

Not sure it's wise to judge on the people, better to take a look at the arguments without the spin.

 

[Aztecs27]

I don't think there's been any comment on the EU referendum from Russia or Putin?

As for Trump, don't think you can say he's "all for Brexit". Think he expressed a preference but it wasn't a recommendation, and definitely no threat as to our future relationship if we were to stay in!

Not sure it's wise to judge on the people, better to take a look at the arguments without the spin.

Can't remember where I read it (re: Putin) but it was probably media spin!

But if Trump (and Farage/Boris etc) thinks we should stay in and based on everything else I know about the arguments for/against, it certainly sways me one way over the other!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Can't remember where I read it (re: Putin) but it was probably media spin!

But if Trump (and Farage/Boris etc) thinks we should stay in and based on everything else I know about the arguments for/against, it certainly sways me one way over the other!

Did you mean this?

 

[Aztecs27]

Did you mean this?

Good spot, just checking you're awake

Obviously I meant if they think we should be OOT.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Add boris to that list.

But Cameron, sturgeon and Osborne want us to stay in.

Can I abstain?

Ha! Well yes, it's the lesser of two evils isn't it? But If I had a gun to my head and had to pick, I'd be more comfortable with the latter group of clowns. At least they're just public school buffoons and not homophobic, racist muppets like the majority of the powers backing Brexit.

Thinking that Sturgeon might be many things - but one thing she most definitely isn't is one of these

 

[Aztecs27]

Thinking that Sturgeon might be many things - but one thing she most definitely isn't is one of these

Aye, but the other two are. Bloody pedants!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Rather transparent and not terribly cunning ploy by BoJo this morning on Today to get the Brexit message across. Agree to the 'long' after 8 interview with John Humphreys, but once up and running just don't shut up so JH can't actually ask you any questions. And even when JH did manage to get a question out over BoJo going on - BoJo just ignored it.

To me that just gives the impression that he knows there are questions that he can't answer very well or at all convincingly - so he just keeps talking. I got absolutely nothing from the interview - just a restatement of Brexit position with no reasoning or rationale. Very unsatisfactory.

 

[Old Skier]

Rather transparent and not terribly cunning ploy by BoJo this morning on Today to get the Brexit message across. Agree to the 'long' after 8 interview with John Humphreys, but once up and running just don't shut up so JH can't actually ask you any questions. And even when JH did manage to get a question out over BoJo going on - BoJo just ignored it.

To me that just gives the impression that he knows there are questions that he can't answer very well or at all convincingly - so he just keeps talking. I got absolutely nothing from the interview - just a restatement of Brexit position with no reasoning or rationale. Very unsatisfactory.

You mean he acted like all Politians.

Better display on BBC Breakfast

 

[SocketRocket]

Rather transparent and not terribly cunning ploy by BoJo this morning on Today to get the Brexit message across. Agree to the 'long' after 8 interview with John Humphreys, but once up and running just don't shut up so JH can't actually ask you any questions. And even when JH did manage to get a question out over BoJo going on - BoJo just ignored it.

To me that just gives the impression that he knows there are questions that he can't answer very well or at all convincingly - so he just keeps talking. I got absolutely nothing from the interview - just a restatement of Brexit position with no reasoning or rationale. Very unsatisfactory.

I watched News Night last night and Ewan Evans was awful. He let the 'Stay' people talk on endlessly but constantly chipped in all the time when the Leave tried to answer his questions. Seemed like someone in the BBC was giving him instructions down his ear piece to do it. BBC not exactly impartial.

 

[SocketRocket]

Rather transparent and not terribly cunning ploy by BoJo this morning on Today to get the Brexit message across. Agree to the 'long' after 8 interview with John Humphreys, but once up and running just don't shut up so JH can't actually ask you any questions. And even when JH did manage to get a question out over BoJo going on - BoJo just ignored it.

To me that just gives the impression that he knows there are questions that he can't answer very well or at all convincingly - so he just keeps talking. I got absolutely nothing from the interview - just a restatement of Brexit position with no reasoning or rationale. Very unsatisfactory.

Lets face it. You aren't going to like anything he says, are you?

 

[Hobbit]

Rather transparent and not terribly cunning ploy by BoJo this morning on Today to get the Brexit message across. Agree to the 'long' after 8 interview with John Humphreys, but once up and running just don't shut up so JH can't actually ask you any questions. And even when JH did manage to get a question out over BoJo going on - BoJo just ignored it.

To me that just gives the impression that he knows there are questions that he can't answer very well or at all convincingly - so he just keeps talking. I got absolutely nothing from the interview - just a restatement of Brexit position with no reasoning or rationale. Very unsatisfactory.

And you support David Cameron's scaremongering threat of war if we leave? That speech is an all time low!

 

[MegaSteve]

Sadly I can see this going the same shameful way as the recent London Mayoral election...

Throw as much mud as possible hoping some will stick...
Fortunately Londoners were not impressed by this conduct...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

And you support David Cameron's scaremongering threat of war if we leave? That speech is an all time low!

What has that got to do with BoJo's performance? I'm not commenting on what he actually said - it was the usual hyperbole both camps are prone to.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Lets face it. You aren't going to like anything he says, are you?

He is a complete buffoon - and a deceitful, duplicitous and totally self-serving one at that. So no - I'm not going to like very much he says. If he was actually to come up with a reasoned and fact-based statement I might listen more - but all I hear is indignant bluster; and generally unfounded assertion and supposition.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

And you support David Cameron's scaremongering threat of war if we leave? That speech is an all time low!

btw - an all time low means that nothing (from anyone) has ever been lower - really? He stated a risk - he may well have over-egged it. But 70 yrs is but a blink of an eye in the history of Europe. If he thinks that the EU is a stabilising force that causes Putin to act more pragmatically and reasonably than he might - then undermining the future coherence of the EU by the UK leaving isn't a great move. That notwithstanding - BoJo can apply his usual 'assertion and supposition' approach that it was because the EU was so attractive to the Ukraine that triggered the Russia/Ukraine crisis.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Which side of the Tory party are you referring to, the ins or oots?
I can't tell the difference.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Don't you just love the debate

Sunday May 8th. the Daily Express. Michael Gove thinks...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/668355/Scotland-vote-leave-EU-referendum-Brexit-European-Union

Tuesday 10th May. the Guardian. Poll of Scots says...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/10/eu-referendum-scottish-remain-vote-could-tip-balance

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

And you support David Cameron's scaremongering threat of war if we leave? That speech is an all time low!

And as the Brexiteers tell me that it is NATO and not the EU that has kept peace in Europe - (though wither the USoA with a Trump President) - I suppose I should listen to what previous NATO Secretary generals think - after all they are the ones who have presided over much of this time of peace.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/...-global-instability-britain-needs-to-stand-u/

 

[Hobbit]

He is a complete buffoon - and a deceitful, duplicitous and totally self-serving one at that. So no - I'm not going to like very much he says. If he was actually to come up with a reasoned and fact-based statement I might listen more - but all I hear is indignant bluster; and generally unfounded assertion and supposition.

Sorry, are you talking about Cameron there?

I think BoJo is a buffoon. He's lousy in interviews, and barely better with a prepared script. Equally, I heard Brown's speech this morning. Like the politicians from both sides, most start out from a reasonable point and spin it to death. I do feel we're seeing the worst from each politician that opens his or her mouth on this.

As for "may well have over egged it." Do you really think using the "hyperbole" he used dignifies his position as a PM? I'd put it on a par with the Beast of Bolsover.

I've never felt so disenfranchised from the politicians, and may well abstain. I don't feel any politicians has been honest, and I don't feel there's been enough real information given out to make a reasoned judgement.

 

[Hobbit]

And as the Brexiteers tell me that it is NATO and not the EU that has kept peace in Europe - (though wither the USoA with a Trump President) - I suppose I should listen to what previous NATO Secretary generals think - after all they are the ones who have presided over much of this time of peace.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/...-global-instability-britain-needs-to-stand-u/

Have you bothered to look up how many conflicts there's been in Europe in the last 70 years? The EU has made very little difference, if at all. As for equating the EU with NATO, there's more than just America as non-EU members. I just don't see the link, other than it suits the politicians to link it in this instance.