EU Referendum

[Hobbit]

Well, better than proving the opposite. Your (sic) welcome.

You might find your (correct use) answers and ideas get better if you use some actual information. Great intelligence not needed, GCSE level literacy would be quite sufficient.

Hahahahaha.... I guess A-level doesn't count then, nor the degree. And no, it isn't one of the fluffy ones. Surely you can do better than that when you want to put someone down?

anyway, enough of me. It's really all about you displaying your obvious intellect(ego) for us all to bow down before....

As for producing actual information, your biased posting of the Tory filibusting without the balanced example of the other parties doing the same goes a long way to indicating your attitude to reasoned debate.

The car scrappage scheme was purely a piece of UK legislation. Bis, what was the dept of trade and industry, spent a huge amount of time in Brussels ensuring that what they were putting together had the approval of Brussels.

 

[Ethan]

This link to Wikipedia illustrates the problem with this referendum, as well as the Republican primaries in the US and the last general election.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_information_voter

All of these campaigns have become a series of dog whistles, mostly from the right, who popularised this form of gutter politics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics

Trump says 'Make America Great Again' and he means 'Make America White Again'. The Sun goes on about laws being made by faceless Brussels bureaucrats (see posts above) and the Sun reader takes that at face value, even though a 9 year old could google it and find out it is false. But no matter, the modern political definition of a fact is a statement which if repeated enough sticks in the head of the voter.

And the Tories win the election with a campaign that basically boiled down to 'Vote for us or we will be invaded by Bulgarians and Nicola Sturgeon', then use their mandate to destroy what remains of the NHS, the welfare state and pursue an ideological strategy to privatise as much as possible by telling the voters the national economy is a current account and we are overdrawn.

And the uncritical low information voter can't even be bothered to check some of this stuff out. If someone does they are called 'intelligent' like that is an insult. The irony.

People get the politicians they deserve, so it is perhaps unsurprising that the Tories who blow dog whistles more than anyone thanks to Lynton Crosby, do so well.

 

[Ethan]

Hahahahaha.... I guess A-level doesn't count then, nor the degree. And no, it isn't one of the fluffy ones. Surely you can do better than that when you want to put someone down?

anyway, enough of me. It's really all about you displaying your obvious intellect(ego) for us all to bow down before....

As for producing actual information, your biased posting of the Tory filibusting without the balanced example of the other parties doing the same goes a long way to indicating your attitude to reasoned debate.

The car scrappage scheme was purely a piece of UK legislation. Bis, what was the dept of trade and industry, spent a huge amount of time in Brussels ensuring that what they were putting together had the approval of Brussels.

Is that the best you can do? One piece of legislation from the UK and an anecdote about the DTI going to Brussels? That is really pathetic.

I would check if it isn't too late to get a refund on those tuition fees. Sorry for pointing out your illiteracy. You can stop me doing so again by writing at GCSE level standard. My 8year old knows the difference between 'your' and 'you're'.

Being willing to ask "Mmm, how many UK laws are actually made in Brussels?" has nothing to do with intellect or education. It has a lot to do with not being closed-minded, though.

The bit about the Tory filibuster is because they are in power. When Labour is in power and does the same on an important bill, happy to point that out too.

 

[SocketRocket]

Is that the best you can do? One piece of legislation from the UK and an anecdote about the DTI going to Brussels? That is really pathetic.

I would check if it isn't too late to get a refund on those tuition fees. Sorry for pointing out your illiteracy. You can stop me doing so again by writing at GCSE level standard. My 8year old knows the difference between 'your' and 'you're'.

Being willing to ask "Mmm, how many UK laws are actually made in Brussels?" has nothing to do with intellect or education. It has a lot to do with not being closed-minded, though.

The bit about the Tory filibuster is because they are in power. When Labour is in power and does the same on an important bill, happy to point that out too.

I can see why you are not a GP, you don't have much of a bedside manner do you? Unbelievably bad attitude.

Its '8 year old' by the way.

 

[MarkE]

So science and technology, and finance have little relevance to you. What about the environment and conservation - do they have any relevance to you and your family.

Not in respect of being a reason for remaining in the eu.

 

[Old Skier]

Glad you agree that the little Englanders who proclaim the fine democracy of Westminster are wrong.

Why do so many of your post give the impression that you hate so much about living in the UK. You obviously thought it was a good enough country to come and live in.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Not in respect of being a reason for remaining in the eu.

So please tell me whose view will you consider if not that of scientists, engineers, financiers, bankers, conservationists, environmentalists or educationalists/universities - large well-informed groups of all of whom have expressed the value and importance to them and these sectors of being in the EU. Yet you seem to be dismissing the views of these groups as having no relevance to you...please tell me that it's not immigration and nothing else - because that's what it's beginning to sound like.

 

[SocketRocket]

So please tell me whose view will you consider if not that of scientists, engineers, financiers, bankers, conservationists, environmentalists or educationalists/universities - large well-informed groups of all of whom have expressed the value and importance to them and these sectors of being in the EU. Yet you seem to be dismissing the views of these groups as having no relevance to you...please tell me that it's not immigration and nothing else - because that's what it's beginning to sound like.

All those bodies and institutions also have people who have stated a preference for 'Leave'. Why should immigration not be a major concern for people, have you not noticed what is going on in Europe and the UK and considered what welcoming arms for Turkey will do.

 

[SocketRocket]

Why do so many of your post give the impression that you hate so much about living in the UK. You obviously thought it was a good enough country to come and live in.

It's called biting the hand that feeds you.

 

[Hobbit]

Is that the best you can do? One piece of legislation from the UK and an anecdote about the DTI going to Brussels? That is really pathetic.

I would check if it isn't too late to get a refund on those tuition fees. Sorry for pointing out your illiteracy. You can stop me doing so again by writing at GCSE level standard. My 8year old knows the difference between 'your' and 'you're'.

Being willing to ask "Mmm, how many UK laws are actually made in Brussels?" has nothing to do with intellect or education. It has a lot to do with not being closed-minded, though.

The bit about the Tory filibuster is because they are in power. When Labour is in power and does the same on an important bill, happy to point that out too.

Please educate me, or ask your son for help. I can't see where in my post you quoted where I got your and you're wrong. Tuition fees? I was there when they, and the maint fees, where paid by the state.

as for not posting up enough examples, how tedious... Try the 2014 employment laws or the Post Office sell off. anecdotal; I guess getting it first hand means it counts for nothing.

As for my lack of education, or illiteracy, I guess I've fooled a lot of people, apart from you of course, managing a multi-faceted, multi-million pound business very successfully.

 

[ColchesterFC]

I see that the leave campaign has received a boost this morning with Jeremy Clarkson announcing that we should vote to stay in the EU and create a United States of Europe. The man might be able to drive around corners quite fast, indulge in some mild racism and punch people over a cold dinner but I'm not sure why he thinks that makes him qualified to give an opinion on the EU.

 

[drdel]

Interesting the Ms Sturgeon has started muttering about Scotland re-running their referendum !

So Scotland wants to be independent, Wales has it, to a degree. Yugoslavia is now 5 small countries and the Czechs split up their nation. The USSR fell apart.

The EU is a political experiment in ideology the economic logic or 'local' trade and cooperation between nations will continue because the multinational firms will still find it advantageous. The UK will not be isolated because businesses will have no reason to make it so.

The EU carries huge overheads that consume the wealth of the member states. The UK could invest this wasted money within the country thereby decreasing the imbalance in our trade surplus and the velocity of money inside the UK raising the tax take from VAT.

A large proportion of the 'research' budget that comes through the EU is wasted through the manner in which Universities are forced the partner with organisation is certain member states who largely only take the money and contribute next to nowt in the projects.

UK Universities would do well to cut out a load of the rubbish subjects they teach and call research conduct and compete on a world stage along with the UK. At present the EU provides a soft touch and the system is bloated.

We have no need to fear Brexit and once we focus on the world market we will realise it offers a much better and certain future.

 

[Ethan]

Why do so many of your post give the impression that you hate so much about living in the UK. You obviously thought it was a good enough country to come and live in.

Don't hate it at all. Just don't have a fictional Daily Mail idea of how the politics works here. Or in Brussels. For your information, I was born in NI which is considered part of the U.K. So I didn't 'come here'.

The U.K. has had much to be proud of, a fine NHS and free education amongst others. Much of that is being thrown away, particularly by the current Govt. I hate them.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Don't hate it at all. Just don't have a fictional Daily Mail idea of how the politics works here. Or in Brussels. For your information, I was born in NI which is considered part of the U.K. So I didn't 'come here'. The U.K. has had much to be proud of, a fine NHS and free education amongst others. Much of that is being thrown away, particularly by the current Govt. I hate them.

I see that you have once again resorted to your usual lazy fall back insult position which is that anyone that disagrees with you is a Daily Mail reader. I assume that you have also learnt your debating skills from your 8 year old. What's next? "My dad's bigger than your dad"? And as for the free education point - remind us what colour of government it was that introduced tuition fees. But that wouldn't fit with your agenda of wanting to blame everything on anyone who's views are anywhere right of centre would it?

 

[Hobbit]

I see that you have once again resorted to your usual lazy fall back insult position which is that anyone that disagrees with you is a Daily Mail reader. I assume that you have also learnt your debating skills from your 8 year old. What's next? "My dad's bigger than your dad"? And as for the free education point - remind us what colour of government it was that introduced tuition fees. But that wouldn't fit with your agenda of wanting to blame everything on anyone who's views are anywhere right of centre would it?

Careful! He's allowed to throw insults but if you respond he'll edit your response. Abuse of position?

 

[Old Skier]

I was born in NI which is considered part of the U.K. So I didn't 'come here'.

Then I must apologise as I presumed that the flag meant you were from Ireland. You give the impression that you hate anyone or anything that doesn't fit into your mind set. I'm sure that's not true. You need to come up with a non addictive chill pill.

 

[Old Skier]

Careful! He's allowed to throw insults but if you respond he'll edit your response. Abuse of position?

Surely he wouldn't resort to that, he is such a high principled man, he does however seem to get away with things that others might get bounced for.

 

[MarkE]

So please tell me whose view will you consider if not that of scientists, engineers, financiers, bankers, conservationists, environmentalists or educationalists/universities - large well-informed groups of all of whom have expressed the value and importance to them and these sectors of being in the EU. Yet you seem to be dismissing the views of these groups as having no relevance to you...please tell me that it's not immigration and nothing else - because that's what it's beginning to sound like.

I've nothing against controlled immigration, i'm all for it but, the current system is a mess. The open door policy to the eu is detrimental to the Uk and our infrastructure is creaking at the seams.
But that would not be my main overriding reason for wanting out. As the fifth largest economy in the the world the UK would be best served going it alone. We are more than capable of
trading with the world without the influence of the eu holding us back. The European single market dos'nt exist, it's a fallacy. It's just 3 or 4 wealthy nations propping up the rest of the eu.
Sovereignty. No, it's not a dirty word and the Uk should have the power to govern itself without outside influence.
That's why I want to leave. You have opposing views and you are entitled to them. We don't have to agree.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Jeremy Clarkson ehh, along with the EDF BNP UKIP, Bonkin Boris, Gove, The Queen, Grayson IDS, etc etc.

Such a tough decision to make, I will have to think a bit harder.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Jeremy Clarkson ehh, along with the EDF BNP UKIP, Bonkin Boris, Gove, The Queen, Grayson IDS, etc etc.

Such a tough decision to make, I will have to think a bit harder.

Clarkson has said that he thinks we should stay in the EU ? And in fact try to improve the links and fix the issues

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...reate-a-united-states-of-europe-a6928556.html