EU Referendum

[jp5]

We're in the era of post-truth politics. Facts no longer matter, it's all about who can shout the loudest, play on base fears most effectively, promise the earth without having to actually deliver etc.

You'll like this revelation then!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/clari...ion-amazing-things-we-get-back-if-we-leave-EU

"Correction - Amazing things we get back if we leave EU - 26/7/2016"

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"Given that 4 of the 11 captions were incorrect this gallery has been deleted."

 

[FairwayDodger]

You'll like this revelation then!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/clari...ion-amazing-things-we-get-back-if-we-leave-EU

"Correction - Amazing things we get back if we leave EU - 26/7/2016"

...

"Given that 4 of the 11 captions were incorrect this gallery has been deleted."

My main reaction to that is that I very much doubt 7 of the captions were correct!

 

[vkurup]

You'll like this revelation then!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/clari...ion-amazing-things-we-get-back-if-we-leave-EU

"Correction - Amazing things we get back if we leave EU - 26/7/2016"

...

"Given that 4 of the 11 captions were incorrect this gallery has been deleted."

Do the people who made their decision to vote Leave based on this high quality journalism also get a chance to delete their vote?

 

[SocketRocket]

Scraping the barrel for succor with that

 

[Deleted member 18121]

maybe i mis understand this. Beebs reports the drop in manufacturing confidence which is a fact. how does that make it biased?
They also reported the investments by Siemens and GSK, why did everyone not shout that they are too optimistic/backing Brexit etc?

Just because the news does not favour peoples view on the the reporting, does it make it biased?

This one article alone, no I am in full agreement does not make them biased. My opinion on the BBC and their anti Brexit campaign is based on weeks and weeks of articles which have frankly been embarrassing. Even on articles which are "positive" for us post brexit they've managed to spin their agenda.

Utter Tosh! Their editorial policy - followed up by their actual performance - is as close to unbiased as it's possible to be!

And, unlike most newspapers - which are really simply a medium to broadcast the opinion of owners/editors - there are built in, and simple, ways in which perceived bias can be challenged!

Just because an article is published that conflicts with your own point of view (or bias?) doesn't mean the publisher is biased!

There's a huge difference between publishing articles containing facts and taking a (editorial) view on what the facts in the article mean! THATS where the Beeb is different from newspapers!

I partially agree with you, but for my reasons above I cannot agree that they are no biased on this subject.

Also, an article about "confidence" is purely subjective....because you're confident or unconfident about something means absolutely nothing to the outcome.

You really are quite deluded if you believe that the the BBC are biased.

Easy enough to find positive Brexit articles on the BBC if you bother looking.

Deluded?....try opening your eyes.



All of the above is my opinion.

 

[vkurup]

The telly at work has BBC News playing. Walked past it and they are running a story of how the great British Bulldog is a dying breed and would need to be cross bred with other breeds maybe from the Continent to ensure it will survive. I mean Brexit news is plunging to new depths on the Beebs..

 

[FairwayDodger]

Any specific examples of supposed bbc bias? Sure it wasn't just stories with facts that didn't square with your own bias?

 

[Hobbit]

Any specific examples of supposed bbc bias? Sure it wasn't just stories with facts that didn't square with your own bias?

You'll see the Beeb apologise at least once a month on their Saturday morning slot for inaccurate and/or biased reporting.

 

[FairwayDodger]

You'll see the Beeb apologise at least once a month on their Saturday morning slot for inaccurate and/or biased reporting.

No doubt. I'm looking for specifics though?

 

[Foxholer]

You'll see the Beeb apologise at least once a month on their Saturday morning slot for inaccurate and/or biased reporting.

That's pretty much 'excellent' statistics imo - out of the thousands of articles they produce!

The fact that that Saturday morning slot exists is a demonstration of their 'commitment to excellence'!

 

[Hacker Khan]

Utter Tosh! Their editorial policy - followed up by their actual performance - is as close to unbiased as it's possible to be!

And, unlike most newspapers - which are really simply a medium to broadcast the opinion of owners/editors - there are built in, and simple, ways in which perceived bias can be challenged!

Just because an article is published that conflicts with your own point of view (or bias?) doesn't mean the publisher is biased!

There's a huge difference between publishing articles containing facts and taking a (editorial) view on what the facts in the article mean! THATS where the Beeb is different from newspapers!

Careful Foxholer, we are living in another world now. Trump is a credible candidate to run one of the worlds superpowers, facts are redundant, isolationaim is the way forwards. Everyone knows that if you do not subscribe to the Dacre/Murdoch/Torygraphs unique brand of compassion, tolerance and understanding then you are a biased liberal yoghurt muncher. Or something like that.

it is hard work you country hater http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...rom-arguing-with-brexit-fkwits-20160713110699

And usual warning, rude words, bit of humour, grow up etc etc

 

[SocketRocket]

No doubt. I'm looking for specifics though?

Not a specific case but rather an overview of the way the BBC applies a bias to certain issues:

[video=youtube;tinlaLkZgy0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tinlaLkZgy0[/video]

 

[SocketRocket]

Careful Foxholer, we are living in another world now. Trump is a credible candidate to run one of the worlds superpowers, facts are redundant, isolationaim is the way forwards. Everyone knows that if you do not subscribe to the Dacre/Murdoch/Torygraphs unique brand of compassion, tolerance and understanding then you are a biased liberal yoghurt muncher. Or something like that.

it is hard work you country hater http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...rom-arguing-with-brexit-fkwits-20160713110699

And usual warning, rude words, bit of humour, grow up etc etc

Heres a fWit who has a contrary view to Yoghurt Knitting, whinging, Remainers. Usual warning that it may offend some who want every race in the olympics to be re-run if the person coming second is less that a whole second behind.

[video=youtube;5LCGcg7thEw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LCGcg7thEw[/video]

 

[BesCumber]

Does f wit stand for what i think it does.??

 

[Deleted member 18121]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36901027

This article is a perfect example.

What gsk chose to do could have been written in a really positive light. Yet the BBC choose the 'quote' attractive. Also using wording as 'despite brexit' followed by the tone of Simon jacks analysis.

They are guilty time and time again of reporting in such a 'glum' tone that no wonder 'confidence' is affected. Again a completely subjective word that is purely in the eyes of the individual.

This article could have been written as a glowing show of confidence in our future. the media as a whole have a massive effect on the feel of the nation and on how our future will pan out, they could help by not being so down in the mouth about good news!

 

[SocketRocket]

Does f wit stand for what i think it does.??

You will have to read the link from Hacker Khan to find out.

 

[SocketRocket]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36901027

This article is a perfect example.

What gsk chose to do could have been written in a really positive light. Yet the BBC choose the 'quote' attractive. Also using wording as 'despite brexit' followed by the tone of Simon jacks analysis.

They are guilty time and time again of reporting in such a 'glum' tone that no wonder 'confidence' is affected. Again a completely subjective word that is purely in the eyes of the individual.

This article could have been written as a glowing show of confidence in our future. the media as a whole have a massive effect on the feel of the nation and on how our future will pan out, they could help by not being so down in the mouth about good news!

Heres another report from the BBC that paints a dramatically gloomy picture on some news that although negative it's nothing like the report portrays.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36864273

 

[BesCumber]

You will have to read the link from Hacker Khan to find out.

Well i must say I'm shocked.
Witt implies a modicum of intelligence, that'll never do..

 

[FairwayDodger]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36901027

This article is a perfect example.

What gsk chose to do could have been written in a really positive light. Yet the BBC choose the 'quote' attractive. Also using wording as 'despite brexit' followed by the tone of Simon jacks analysis.

They are guilty time and time again of reporting in such a 'glum' tone that no wonder 'confidence' is affected. Again a completely subjective word that is purely in the eyes of the individual.

This article could have been written as a glowing show of confidence in our future. the media as a whole have a massive effect on the feel of the nation and on how our future will pan out, they could help by not being so down in the mouth about good news!

Really? That's the article you choose?

"Attractive" was in quotes because, err, they were quoting GSK. There's nothing negative about the tone, just matter of fact.

As I thought, this just confirms your paranoia.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Careful Foxholer, we are living in another world now. Trump is a credible candidate to run one of the worlds superpowers, facts are redundant, isolationaim is the way forwards. Everyone knows that if you do not subscribe to the Dacre/Murdoch/Torygraphs unique brand of compassion, tolerance and understanding then you are a biased liberal yoghurt muncher. Or something like that.

it is hard work you country hater http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...rom-arguing-with-brexit-fkwits-20160713110699

And usual warning, rude words, bit of humour, grow up etc etc

Fair comment but have you ever read Polly Toynbee or Owen Jones.

Similar polarisation of others views seen through the other side of the spectrum.

And many who are left of centre refer to the current Government as extreme right wing which is rather like calling the late John Smith as being left of Lenin.

Everyone has an angle.