England v India Series

[Lord Tyrion]

As was highlighted on TMS though, how many Englis test pitches are genuine green tops and how many are just chief executive pitches designed to last 5 days to maximise revenue?

You are quite right. The days of Headingley or Trent Bridge being green are long gone due to the point you make. It was just easier to use the phrase than expand about nipping pitches or environments where the ball swings around. To get Kohli out in England last time you only had to bowl full and off stump. Slight movement and he was back in the hutch in no time. It was like shelling peas. You don't get green tops any more. Perhaps I should have said English conditions.

I do accept players improve, blimey look at Woakes, but when you are talking the elite, and Kohli is there, you want to be certain and them not be flat track merchants.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Hussain's point about the selectors is spot on for me:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cr...ion-biggest-factor-blame-India-struggles.html

Agreed. When the vice-captain and "senior pro" (Root & Anderson) come out and say we picked the wrong line up for Mombai you wonder what the selection process is for each match.

Also agree with his comments on the squad. Ballance and Finn have never convinced and Ansari's selection never made sense. Tours these days should not require more than 14 players. Replacements can soon be flown in to cover injuries and complete form loss.

 

[Piece]

Agreed. When the vice-captain and "senior pro" (Root & Anderson) come out and say we picked the wrong line up for Mombai you wonder what the selection process is for each match.

Also agree with his comments on the squad. Ballance and Finn have never convinced and Ansari's selection never made sense. Tours these days should not require more than 14 players. Replacements can soon be flown in to cover injuries and complete form loss.

Yes, Ansari's selection was questionable, but not as much as Batty's. Waste of a spot.

 

[vkurup]

My Jr has started to show some interest in cricket.. currently has never been on training, but we try and play inside the house. My whole idea is to give him better hand eye coordinate rather than become the next cricket hero. Next year will try and get him into some form of formal training if the interest continues.

I was giving him some practice of offspin and we had fun. BTW, he is a natural right handed, but switched to batting left handed as Cooky plays left handed and because i told him that he might be better left handed than how he is right handed.. So he has been batting left handed for the past 2-3 weeks.

Like a good english batsman, clueless against spin - even though it is on wooden floors. https://youtu.be/6_iszLGh5BQ

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Yes, Ansari's selection was questionable, but not as much as Batty's. Waste of a spot.

I had tried to forget that one!

 

[Kellfire]

My Jr has started to show some interest in cricket.. currently has never been on training, but we try and play inside the house. My whole idea is to give him better hand eye coordinate rather than become the next cricket hero. Next year will try and get him into some form of formal training if the interest continues.

I was giving him some practice of offspin and we had fun. BTW, he is a natural right handed, but switched to batting left handed as Cooky plays left handed and because i told him that he might be better left handed than how he is right handed.. So he has been batting left handed for the past 2-3 weeks.

Like a good english batsman, clueless against spin - even though it is on wooden floors. https://youtu.be/6_iszLGh5BQ

Needs to get his front foot moving to the pitch, he's way too bottom handed.

 

[vkurup]

Needs to get his front foot moving to the pitch, he's way too bottom handed.

Agree.. he is bringing his golf swing to cricket and so is rooted to the spot. The bottom hand is from him being a right handed.. i think he will switch back to right hand as Kohli as replaced Cooky as his fav

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Bayliss not happy about the debate over Cook's future http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/38301168 but Cook has brought it on with his comments about Root being ready to take over. I hope Cook remains in the side and without the pressure of captaincy he'll flourish as an opener and that the pressure doesn't affect Root's performance

 

[patricks148]

My Jr has started to show some interest in cricket.. currently has never been on training, but we try and play inside the house. My whole idea is to give him better hand eye coordinate rather than become the next cricket hero. Next year will try and get him into some form of formal training if the interest continues.

I was giving him some practice of offspin and we had fun. BTW, he is a natural right handed, but switched to batting left handed as Cooky plays left handed and because i told him that he might be better left handed than how he is right handed.. So he has been batting left handed for the past 2-3 weeks.

Like a good english batsman, clueless against spin - even though it is on wooden floors. https://youtu.be/6_iszLGh5BQ

looks a typical Indian batsman... no foot movement and a flat track bully:rofl:

 

[vkurup]

looks a typical Indian batsman... no foot movement and a flat track bully:rofl:

:rofl:

 

[Tongo]

An interesting development, particularly in light of Jimmy's sour grapes:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/...g-play-county-cricket-england-prepare-indias/

 

[Lord Tyrion]

The ECB should butt in and stop the counties from taking him on. I know that wont happen but we want Kohli the rabbit, not Kohli the world class batsman.

 

[fundy]

i see having shot his mouth off that Andersen is leaving the other bowlers to deal with it as hes a bit sore

as for Kohli they'll be absolutely queueing up, even if only for a few weeks (hoping that he may return for a longer stint down the line too)

 

[fundy]

The ECB should butt in and stop the counties from taking him on. I know that wont happen but we want Kohli the rabbit, not Kohli the world class batsman.

why? theyve never done it before now to my knowledge and we let every other countries players acclimatise as and when they want, why single Kohli out? be great for county cricket if he were to play a few games

 

[Lord Tyrion]

We allowed it throughout the 80's and 90's and overseas players became far better for it. They learnt how to master English conditions. Now international players are playing international cricket for most of the year and only have time off for a lucrative month or so of 20-20. This is partly why overseas players struggle so much in England now, they have not spent 3 yrs in county cricket playing the 4 day game. You wont learn about England from 20-20, it is a lottery.

My post was tongue in cheek but when you look at it from an England perspective it is madness to let Kohli get used to English pitches and bowling.

 

[fundy]

We allowed it throughout the 80's and 90's and overseas players became far better for it. They learnt how to master English conditions. Now international players are playing international cricket for most of the year and only have time off for a lucrative month or so of 20-20. This is partly why overseas players struggle so much in England now, they have not spent 3 yrs in county cricket playing the 4 day game. You wont learn about England from 20-20, it is a lottery.

My post was tongue in cheek but when you look at it from an England perspective it is madness to let Kohli get used to English pitches and bowling.

do you then stop all overseas players or just superstars or just those that have struggled over here on a previous tour though, as you say never gonna happen

 

[Tongo]

The ECB should butt in and stop the counties from taking him on. I know that wont happen but we want Kohli the rabbit, not Kohli the world class batsman.

In contrast there might be people interested in seeing Kohli bat. It might attract a few to matches that wouldnt necessarily attend.

 

[Tongo]

i see having shot his mouth off that Andersen is leaving the other bowlers to deal with it as hes a bit sore

as for Kohli they'll be absolutely queueing up, even if only for a few weeks (hoping that he may return for a longer stint down the line too)

Can you honestly see him signing for anyone other than Middlesex or Surrey? Surely those in charge wont want him to have to base himself anywhere other than London.

 

[Tongo]

The ECB should butt in and stop the counties from taking him on. I know that wont happen but we want Kohli the rabbit, not Kohli the world class batsman.

The ECB will probably see this an opportunity to make money.

 

[Tongo]

We allowed it throughout the 80's and 90's and overseas players became far better for it. They learnt how to master English conditions. Now international players are playing international cricket for most of the year and only have time off for a lucrative month or so of 20-20. This is partly why overseas players struggle so much in England now, they have not spent 3 yrs in county cricket playing the 4 day game. You wont learn about England from 20-20, it is a lottery.

My post was tongue in cheek but when you look at it from an England perspective it is madness to let Kohli get used to English pitches and bowling.

One of my blog articles kind of touched on this:

https://yahooovercowcorner.wordpress.com/2016/11/16/help-from-an-old-friend/