England v India Series

MetalMickie said:
Slightly disagree. T20 is harmless as it is only a few hours of "slap & giggle", Chip Shop Cup cricket was what we called it at club level, and it generates decent revenue for the game.

However, 50 over ODI's and County competitions are incredibly dull with everything weighted in favour of the bat. I went to a Royal London (?) day/nighter last season and can honestly say I have never been so bored on a cricket ground.

For a match of that length to be entertaining the contest between bat and ball needs to be more even.
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Decent bowlers are not allowed to work a batsman over these days in one cricket. Batters have freedom to run down the wicket any ball since they know they are not going to wear in between the eyes as it will be called 'no ball'.

Bowlers totally neutered in one stuff so not worth watching in my opinion and I'm saying that as a cricket lover and long time player of the game.
 
Despite what we think about 350+ run chases, yesterdays game had one great thing going for it. After being down 25/3, India did not try to go down in a blaze of glory by hitting it out of the park. Instead it was wonderful to watch, some might say boring to watch, Yuvraj and Dhoni play out the next few overs and get their eye in. looking at some stats yesterday, Dhoni scored about 5-6 runs off the first 22 balls before he launched himself. So it was not all wham bam thank you mam affair, ODI still has a place.
 
vkurup said:
Despite what we think about 350+ run chases, yesterdays game had one great thing going for it. After being down 25/3, India did not try to go down in a blaze of glory by hitting it out of the park. Instead it was wonderful to watch, some might say boring to watch, Yuvraj and Dhoni play out the next few overs and get their eye in. looking at some stats yesterday, Dhoni scored about 5-6 runs off the first 22 balls before he launched himself. So it was not all wham bam thank you mam affair, ODI still has a place.
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Of course he did, he knew he could take 10 overs to get in on such a good batting track with tiny boundaries as they couldnt fail to cash in at the back end. Im not disputing Dhoni or Yuvi played well, but the balance is way too stacked towards the batsmen. I sort of get that in T20 (still dont agree with it) but shouldnt be the case in 50 over or test cricket at all.

There was a picture posted of the ball at the end (so 25 overs old) and it had no seam or lacquer left to it , what a bowlers supposed to do on a road with tiny boundaries against 2 guys on a hundred each both wielding massive bats Id love to know (as people keep criticising death bowling)

What is clearly true is they are turning off long standing cricket fans in favour of a "newer audience", lets see if that translates into attendances or whether cricket is digging itself an even bigger financial hole than the one a lot of it is currently in
 
fundy said:
What is clearly true is they are turning off long standing cricket fans in favour of a "newer audience", lets see if that translates into attendances or whether cricket is digging itself an even bigger financial hole than the one a lot of it is currently in
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100% agree.

A few years ago I was a member at two counties and attended matches of all types but now I no longer bother.

T20 is more about beer than cricket, 50 overs has been the victim of rules favouring the bat over ball, and in view of the scheduling the County Championship appears to be just an inconvenience.

Test matches (Ashes aside) struggle to attract spectators and all the game's administrators eggs are in the one basket of the Chip Shop Cup cricket that is T20.
 
MetalMickie said:
100% agree.

A few years ago I was a member at two counties and attended matches of all types but now I no longer bother.

T20 is more about beer than cricket, 50 overs has been the victim of rules favouring the bat over ball, and in view of the scheduling the County Championship appears to be just an inconvenience.

Test matches (Ashes aside) struggle to attract spectators and all the game's administrators eggs are in the one basket of the Chip Shop Cup cricket that is T20.
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But hasnt the 'game' won by bringing new audience, television rights for the IPL and Big Bash are increasing, players making more money, families coming into watch the game, some coming on week night to watch Thurs T20 bringing revenue to grounds. We say golf is boring and not attracting new folks as Daddy does not have 5 hours for a game.

Listening to Sky yesterday and they were commenting on the changes Dhoni has made. About 7-8 years ago, Indian cricket system was very rigid and you had to play for some of the big teams like Mumbai in the domestic game if you wanted to make it to the national side. Dhoni was a rare exception of a 'small town boy' who broke thru. But since then and due to IPL, India has gone on to find seam bowlers like Shami, Bhumra, Umesh Yadav etc who bowl seam up, reverse and specialise in death bowling and all of them hail for from small towns in India and would have never gotten a chance to play at this level. I guess T20 has a very good place in Cricket. The Tests have been very evenly fought, though England's lack of ability to face Ashwin, Jadeja, Yadav on a turning track means a collapse is imminent. Even then it was thrilling to watch five days of cricket. IMO, the only bit that struggles is ODI which seems like a dying option caught between T20 and Tests
 
vkurup said:
But hasnt the 'game' won by bringing new audience, television rights for the IPL and Big Bash are increasing, players making more money, families coming into watch the game, some coming on week night to watch Thurs T20 bringing revenue to grounds. We say golf is boring and not attracting new folks as Daddy does not have 5 hours for a game.

Listening to Sky yesterday and they were commenting on the changes Dhoni has made. About 7-8 years ago, Indian cricket system was very rigid and you had to play for some of the big teams like Mumbai in the domestic game if you wanted to make it to the national side. Dhoni was a rare exception of a 'small town boy' who broke thru. But since then and due to IPL, India has gone on to find seam bowlers like Shami, Bhumra, Umesh Yadav etc who bowl seam up, reverse and specialise in death bowling and all of them hail for from small towns in India and would have never gotten a chance to play at this level. I guess T20 has a very good place in Cricket. The Tests have been very evenly fought, though England's lack of ability to face Ashwin, Jadeja, Yadav on a turning track means a collapse is imminent. Even then it was thrilling to watch five days of cricket. IMO, the only bit that struggles is ODI which seems like a dying option caught between T20 and Tests
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There may be more money around but only for the big 3. It is scandalous how cricket is contracting. The likes of Pakistan, West Indies and Sri Lanka are paupers in comparison. New Zealand and South Africa are not far behind, look at the current Kolpak crisis in SA cricket. Oh yeah, everyone's getting richer (apparently) so it must be great. Meanwhile the game contracts. Football's World Cup expands, Cricket's shrinks.

What chance anyone else joining the party like Ireland or Afghanistan when the ICC tries to muscle them out of the main events?

Ten years down the line there'll be three countries playing international cricket and the fickle public will have moved on from T20 cricket cos they've found something else to entertain their short attention spans.
 
vkurup said:
IMO, the only bit that struggles is ODI which seems like a dying option caught between T20 and Tests
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Sorry but you are wrong. With only a small number of exceptions attendances at Tests have consistently fallen for some years now.
 
MetalMickie said:
100% agree.

A few years ago I was a member at two counties and attended matches of all types but now I no longer bother.

T20 is more about beer than cricket, 50 overs has been the victim of rules favouring the bat over ball, and in view of the scheduling the County Championship appears to be just an inconvenience.

Test matches (Ashes aside) struggle to attract spectators and all the game's administrators eggs are in the one basket of the Chip Shop Cup cricket that is T20.
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https://www.lords.org/news/2016-2/july/lords-attracts-113/

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/34900083

Figures seem to suggest different
 
Liverpoolphil said:
https://www.lords.org/news/2016-2/july/lords-attracts-113/

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/34900083

Figures seem to suggest different
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Sorry but I don't think they do.

The first source refers to Lords' which always has been and always will be unrepresentative.

The second refers to an Ashes summer and if we ever get to the stage where tickets cannot be sold for those matches we might as well give up altogether.

Durham's problems have a lot to do with attendances at non-Ashes Tests not being sufficient to meet the costs of staging the game. All the other Test venues outside London have faced similar difficulties.

Outside of this country there are massive concerns over the economic viability of Test cricket. Particularly in the West Indies but also in New Zealand and South Africa.Even Australia and India have not proved immune from these concerns.

T20 is currently drawing a new audience but, so far, there has been no evidence that many of those newcomers have gone on to purchase tickets for Test cricket and like others on here I worry that the "fashion" for T20 will wane and cricket as a whole will be struggling to survive.
 
Great result from England today. Showing their worth at T20 level.

I do wonder whether the BCCI's policy of not allowing Indian players to play in other T20 leagues is beginning to hamper the Indian national team though.
 
Tongo said:
Great result from England today. Showing their worth at T20 level.

I do wonder whether the BCCI's policy of not allowing Indian players to play in other T20 leagues is beginning to hamper the Indian national team though.
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Good result and a format of the game where we look to have a balanced and talented side. If only we could get this mix right across the board now
 
Root killed that innings stone dead and put way too much pressure on the rest. Great player that he is Im still far from convinced 3 in T20 is right especially on high scoring tracks. For sure Root and Morgan need to be split up in the order
 
Time to put the series to bed and move onto the next series of Test , ODI and T20

Don't think wholesale changes are needed but expect a bit of tweaking in the test set up - certainly a learning experience for all concerned.

Can see the ODI team having a very strong Champions Trophy
 
Ghastly performance from England and I personally think lessons need to be learned for all formats of the game from this tour. None of the sides were good enough, and I thought the bowlers particularly in the tests and one day internationals didn't perform well enough at all and never looked like turning games
 
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