England v India Series

[Deleted member 18588]

Admittedly, the issue of representing one country at u19 level and then playing for another at test level clouds the issue but Ryan Giggs did the same thing in Football.

How many times is that myth to be repeated?

He played for England Schools because he was educated in England.

That team represents England Schools Football Association and any child attending a school in England is eligible, regardless of nationality.

Ryan Giggs has never played for a team representing the FA.

As for the cricketers, I am with LT in feeling uncomfortable about the likes of Trott, Pietersen and now Jennings playing for England. Age 11 might be a little arbitrary but could be a good place to start.

 

[Tongo]

Well, whatever the semantics its hardly a new phenomenon, either in cricket or in sport. Alfredo di Stefano played international for 3 separate countries during his career.

The case of Fawad Ahmed and Australia shows how imposing age limits can be a tricky business.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Well, whatever the semantics its hardly a new phenomenon, either in cricket or in sport. Alfredo di Stefano played international for 3 separate countries during his career.

The case of Fawad Ahmed and Australia shows how imposing age limits can be a tricky business.

I know it is nothing new but still doesn't mean I am comfortable with it and never have been.

Slightly more acceptable in the cases of Smith & Lamb as international cricket would not have been an option for them had they remained South African.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

A solid start undone by a few quick wickets. We certainly need a minimum of another 100 on the board tomorrow to give the bowlers a chance. I'd say it was honours even after day one

 

[louise_a]

Well, whatever the semantics its hardly a new phenomenon, either in cricket or in sport. Alfredo di Stefano played international for 3 separate countries during his career.

The case of Fawad Ahmed and Australia shows how imposing age limits can be a tricky business.

In cricket Kepler Vessels springs to mind, played tests for Australia and then for South Africa

 

[Tongo]

Great stuff from Buttler and Jake Ball this morning. Gives England's bowlers something to play with since the first innings of the first test.

 

[patricks148]

Great stuff from Buttler and Jake Ball this morning. Gives England's bowlers something to play with since the first innings of the first test.

great powers of concentration from James Anderson Batting too, 4 balls thats a long innings for him:rofl:

 

[Tongo]

great powers of concentration from James Anderson Batting too, 4 balls thats a long innings for him:rofl:

It wasnt his fault Buttler threw his wicket away!

 

[Tongo]

I find him a rather irksome character but Virat Kohli is a class act when batting. He and Ashwin are the 2 main differences in this series.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Going to be hard for England now. Likely to have close to a three figure deficit to overcome and then need to build a lead after that. At best I can see a draw, but not hopeful

 

[Tongo]

Looking like this series is gonna end 4-0.

 

[vkurup]

A bit of sour grapes from Jimmy.. if he had some world class skills like Akram, Waqar, Steyn etc, he could have taken the pitch out of the equation... Kohli was a class apart. Equally cant take the morning away from Jayant Yadav (#7 scores a century and Jimmy still blames the pitch!!). Root & Bairstow showed it can be done.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...of-equation-Anderson/articleshow/55926069.cms

BTW, some umpiring was shocking, glad DRS is in play here

 

[Deleted member 18588]

A bit of sour grapes from Jimmy.. if he had some world class skills like Akram, Waqar, Steyn etc, he could have taken the pitch out of the equation... Kohli was a class apart. Equally cant take the morning away from Jayant Yadav (#7 scores a century and Jimmy still blames the pitch!!). Root & Bairstow showed it can be done.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...of-equation-Anderson/articleshow/55926069.cms

BTW, some umpiring was shocking, glad DRS is in play here

So Anderson's record of 467 Test wickets doesn't measure up Really?

As for his comments about Kohli, the fact is that for years now India, both as a team and as individuals, have shown a marked difference in their performances on the sub-continent compared with elsewhere. e.g. Kohli in England 2014.

This, of course, is not unusual in Test cricket where the truly great players perform in alien as well as home conditions whilst lesser players find it difficult to maintain the same standards.

Kohli has been totally awesome in this, a home, if he is to become a "great" then his performances in away series will have to improve and I am sure they may well do so but until then he remains a very good but not great player.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Poor comments from Anderson who has struggled for the series and clearly frustrated. The pitches in India have been known about and how they will perform for years and so it can't have come as any great surprise that pace isn't such a potent weapon. As for the performance today, Root apart, the batting flaws are still glaringly obvious and 4-0 looks a certainty now

 

[vkurup]

So Anderson's record of 467 Test wickets doesn't measure up Really?

As for his comments about Kohli, the fact is that for years now India, both as a team and as individuals, have shown a marked difference in their performances on the sub-continent compared with elsewhere. e.g. Kohli in England 2014.

This, of course, is not unusual in Test cricket where the truly great players perform in alien as well as home conditions whilst lesser players find it difficult to maintain the same standards.

Kohli has been totally awesome in this, a home, if he is to become a "great" then his performances in away series will have to improve and I am sure they may well do so but until then he remains a very good but not great player.

No.. i dont take anything away from Jimmy.. I like Jimmy. Also his record overseas is pretty good. However it is a bit disingenuous to take anything away from someone who just played his career best game while the remaining 20 folks were looking fairly ordinary.

Kohli always had a reputation as a ODI specialist and the 2014 tour was probably saw his lowest point. Since then he has been steadily building his reputation and test game. He was always seen as someone with a short fuse and having a lot of aggro. Under Dhoni he thrived and it is remarkable on how he has been handling the test captaincy. We of course need to see how he performs in the tests overseas I agree that the pitch may not do much swinging but if you pitch it well and in the corridor of uncertainty, things happen. The Indian seamers have done well with the new ball, so its not an impossible task esp for Jimmy.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

The Indian seamers have done well with the new ball

Fewer than a quarter of England's wickets have fallen to the quicks. The pitches have been prepared for spin in the same way that we prepare seamer-friendly tracks over here.

Understandable as India have, in Ashwin and Jadeja, two of the very best spinners currently playing. As a retired County seamer said to me the other day "Bowling on those tracks could make you want to give up!"

What is undeniable is that the players England picked are not capable of taking advantage of the Indian conditions.

 

[Tongo]

Is it any surprise England have struggled in spin friendly conditions when spin bowling is so marginalised in the county championship?

Plus the selectors chose to ignore Jack Leach despite him taking 68 wickets last summer.

 

[vkurup]

Fewer than a quarter of England's wickets have fallen to the quicks. The pitches have been prepared for spin in the same way that we prepare seamer-friendly tracks over here.

Understandable as India have, in Ashwin and Jadeja, two of the very best spinners currently playing. As a retired County seamer said to me the other day "Bowling on those tracks could make you want to give up!"

What is undeniable is that the players England picked are not capable of taking advantage of the Indian conditions.

I agree, the subcontinent pitches have always had more bite for the spinners and is heart wrenching for the seamers. But over the past couple of years, India has started developing some good seamers - Shami and Bhuveneshwar Kumar have done alright. Watching Shami break Cooks offstump off an absolute with an absolute beauty

Listening to TMS this morning, 'there is something reassuring to wake up on a winter morning and hear about a English collapse..'

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Is it any surprise England have struggled in spin friendly conditions when spin bowling is so marginalised in the county championship?

Plus the selectors chose to ignore Jack Leach despite him taking 68 wickets last summer.

Can't argue with this. Good points well made

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Is it any surprise England have struggled in spin friendly conditions when spin bowling is so marginalised in the county championship?

Plus the selectors chose to ignore Jack Leach despite him taking 68 wickets last summer.

Said when the squad was announced that the spinners were the poor choices and we should have taken Leach and Rayner

Ansari always injured and guess what he is again

Batty just not threatening enough and a dead duck on tour

And whilst the batsmen have struggled the bowlers haven't taken the chances as well. Leach is doing well on the Lions tour so hopefully should see him involved during the summer

India is always a tough place to tour and it's no shame to lose but would like to see a bit of fight.