bobmac
Major Champion
I think Moses did....
"the roar of Moses' Triumph is heard in the hills."
God doesn't eat pork or shellfish either so that should help
Eco warriors.
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I think Moses did....
"the roar of Moses' Triumph is heard in the hills."
God doesn't eat pork or shellfish either so that should help
Dibby
Assistant Pro
So just to add a viewpoint that doesn't seem to have been covered, I think the current approach or eco-warriors is very flawed. If you tell people they have to roll back their lifestyles, all you will meet is huge resistance, once people have enjoyed flying to new places, having a car, eating meat etc.. the majority will not want to give this up, and telling them to do so will just get their backs up, rather than get them to agree.
In practice, I think the best option would be for eco-warriors to push for things that people will get behind - such as funding for science and technology that makes the things we currently enjoy cleaner, renewable energy, reforestation of certain areas etc.. People would get behind this, and support them, but disrupting people and telling them they have to give up a whole bunch of things that they enjoy is not a great strategy.
The above approach may take slightly longer to slow down, stop and reverse the impacts, but it will be more successful long term, as realistically most people will only really consider giving up things when they feel personally impacted, which for the UK will not be for some time yet.
In practice, I think the best option would be for eco-warriors to push for things that people will get behind - such as funding for science and technology that makes the things we currently enjoy cleaner, renewable energy, reforestation of certain areas etc.. People would get behind this, and support them, but disrupting people and telling them they have to give up a whole bunch of things that they enjoy is not a great strategy.
The above approach may take slightly longer to slow down, stop and reverse the impacts, but it will be more successful long term, as realistically most people will only really consider giving up things when they feel personally impacted, which for the UK will not be for some time yet.
They have people talking, they have publicity but they have alienated and angered so many. The publicity is negative not positive so I'm not sure it is mission accomplished.
pendodave
Tour Rookie
Let's not kid ourselves about our 'democracy'. Nothing, especially that works against the interests of its sponsors, happens without direct action.
I'm guessing the distopian future which is heading out way might be a little bit inconvenient as well. Might even disrupt a few tee times...
I'm guessing the distopian future which is heading out way might be a little bit inconvenient as well. Might even disrupt a few tee times...
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Yes they have triggered the Daily Mail and a few posters on a golf forum but as they say, there's no such thing as bad publicity.
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Emma Thompson flew from LA to join the protesters, seems protesting in LA might have been the answer.
Possibly but I'm not sure they are winning people across, surely the point. They are certainly getting plenty of publicity though, no question there.
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Deleted member 25172
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Well if that is the case that’s just pure comedy gold right there.
Taz
Journeyman Pro
I learnt more about the issue by watching the DA program last night in the beeb.
Sums up just how effective their protest is to me.
The press are reporting on the issues surrounding their actions rather than what they sterling it for.
Sums up just how effective their protest is to me.
The press are reporting on the issues surrounding their actions rather than what they sterling it for.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Dibby
Assistant Pro
If that were true, we should reverse the libel laws, so that the publisher of the false story gets compensation!
On a more serious note, whilst the publicity may be good for raising the profile of XR, it doesn't mean it is good for getting public approval of their agenda or making people change their behaviours re climate change.
bobmac
Major Champion
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
I have a suspicion that whatever I currently do and whatever I've done in the past couple of decades wont really matter to you if I typed it out
However I can guarantee that what I do/did clearly wasn't sufficient because there are protesters on the streets of London telling me it's not enough. So regardless whether I took one counter measure or 500 it really didn't matter a jot did it?
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
If that were true, we should reverse the libel laws, so that the publisher of the false story gets compensation!
On a more serious note, whilst the publicity may be good for raising the profile of XR, it doesn't mean it is good for getting public approval of their agenda or making people change their behaviours re climate change.
Their main aim may not be to directly influence the public but to impact government policy which will then lead to changes in behaviour.
Old Skier
Tour Winner
I'd have more respect for the protesters if they organized local demonstrations rather than travel from all over causing environmental pollution.
Taz
Journeyman Pro
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Sorry for delayed reply been trying to formulate something that doesn’t sound totally selfish lol
I don’t like change. Like really don’t. I didn’t move out my parents until I could afford a 3 bed semi, so me and wife lived here 4.5 years now. We have 1 child who is almost 2. We going to have 2 but I don’t like moving (too much change) so we are getting a loft extension for us (suits my shift working) and the kids can be downstairs with a big sized room each and the box room for guests / drying washing.
I know I can provide a comfortable life for the 4 of us. 5 would be a push. I want to be able to go on holidays with them all without spending a fortune! Same with cars I don’t wnna have to get a 7 seater to fit us all lol
Sounds stupid I know.
Also on the none selfish part I want to be able to provide both kids with a house deposit when their around 25
I’m aiming to retire at 60 (28 years) so that’s ties in almost perfect with that
I couldn’t imagine the work 3 let alone 6 kids takes. We got 1 sorted. 2 is gonna kill me
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Hopefully they will have the sense not to get involved in the other demo taking place today. Wonder how they would have coped during last weeks Rolling Thunder demo. 22,000 (police figures) motorbikes would have given them a fit.
Foxholer
Blackballed
Yes please! As I've never heard of that! And I used to teach Physics!
But I agree with your answer to LPP's (repeated) question. It's not 'our' role to implement a/the 'solution'; simply to comply with whatever is deemed to be 'the solution'. Identifying and implementing 'the solution' is up to Government(s).
That's actually why I support reasonable protest - even if it inconveniences me - about the lack of progress on the issue. However, some of the protest appears to have been OTT!
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Doesn't it all come under the heading of thermodynamics- just asking. I was under the (wrong) impression you were an English teacher who specialised in (){} &[].
