Driving range practice drills

This was the actual video I came across if it’s a help.


I almost agree, accept when he says out to in causes a slice.
It's certainly part of it but the face angle open to the swing path is what spins/slices the ball.
However, if the face is square to an out to in path, the shot shape will be a straight pull.

While you could use the basket drill, it could set your game back years.

This is why I encouraged slicers to hit the straight pull on purpose.
If it was going 20 yards left of target, aim 20 yards right.
That way, your straight pull becomes straight without years of trying to change your swing path.
Just change your aim which changes your path for you and check your grip to make sure the face is square to the path
That will cure your slice in an afternoon.
 
Thanks mate, I may be best getting pro to take a look, feels to me like it’s a good move but wouldn’t want to be doing any long term damage unknowingly
 
It's not so much doing damage, it's spending literally years and 1000s of balls, trying to change the path while your game goes down hill.
Sometimes, when you give it 100% of your concentration, it works, but it will never be totally gone.
One day, someone will suggest something new and that's where the old swing bites you back.
It may eventually work on the range after 30-40 balls but you dont have that luxury on the course.
Change your alignment and your grip at address and let the swing go where it wants.

I tried doing the same as you are doing and I couldn't break 80, so I just accepted my swing for what it was, aimed right and enjoyed it.
The video below shows me aiming for the big tree although my feet are way right.
It works, trust me.

 
Cheers bobmac, appreciated.

Lovely swing
Thanks
But can you imagine where that ball would have started if my feet were aiming straight.....way left.
Aim right and let your swing go where it wants.

Here's a few more examples of people aiming right to square up the swing path
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Thanks
But can you imagine where that ball would have started if my feet were aiming straight.....way left.
Aim right and let your swing go where it wants.

Here's a few more examples of people aiming right to square up the swing path
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I've basically started doing this myself and it is helping. I was aiming too open before and swiping across the ball - closing my feet off like this is helping me keep my back to target for a little longer and have a better swing path.
 
The problem with aiming right as much as 20 yards to play a pull is it’s always a compensation and relays on your clubface control being spot on. You are going to get some huge curvature unless your ability to control face is elite. You will get to a point where the pull becomes a pull hook and you start aiming further right. You are asking for a 2 way miss with this approach IMO


I don’t think many folk on tour are aiming 20 yards right every shot unless they want to put some draw spin on the ball.
Jack Nicklaus always said a straight shot was an accident, now we have folk wanting to hit a straight shot but pull it every time. Crazy.

You need to pick a shot shape and go with it, some folk it be right to left and others left to right. Both by varying degrees. If you have a path of 3 degrees one way or the other you want your face to path to be half that number. This will give you a nice fade or draw and also give you the ability to know 9 times out 10 you will hit it there.
 
The problem with aiming right as much as 20 yards to play a pull is it’s always a compensation and relays on your clubface control being spot on.
Clubface control always has to be spot on, no matter what shape you hit.
That's why I always say to check your grip

I don’t think many folk on tour are aiming 20 yards right
Who mentioned tour players?
They don't normally have swingpaths that far out
 
Clubface control always has to be spot on, no matter what shape you hit.
That's why I always say to check your grip


Who mentioned tour players?
They don't normally have swingpaths that far out
Well if you have a bad swing you probably don’t want a good grip. As Harvey penwick said, don’t fear the player with the good swing and a bad grip, fear the player with what looks like a bad swing and bad grip, because he’s grooved his faults.

Well tour players generally serve as models to copy for 99% of gofers as they have somewhat mastered the game to a degree. Imitating them would make sense
 
Well if you have a bad swing you probably don’t want a good grip. As Harvey penwick said, don’t fear the player with the good swing and a bad grip, fear the player with what looks like a bad swing and bad grip, because he’s grooved his faults.

Well tour players generally serve as models to copy for 99% of gofers as they have somewhat mastered the game to a degree. Imitating them would make sense
Completely disagree.
If your swing path is straight because you are aiming 20 yards right, you definitely want a good grip. That way, you return the cluface square at impact.
However, if you aim straight and your swingpath is 20 yards left, you certainly want a weak grip.

And as for copying tour pros, have you ever tried successfully changing a swingpath by 20 yards?
We're talking about amateurs who play maybe twice a week and practice once a week...at the most
 
Completely disagree.
If your swing path is straight because you are aiming 20 yards right, you definitely want a good grip. That way, you return the cluface square at impact.
However, if you aim straight and your swingpath is 20 yards left, you certainly want a weak grip.

And as for copying tour pros, have you ever tried successfully changing a swingpath by 20 yards?
We're talking about amateurs who play maybe twice a week and practice once a week...at the most
But your forgetting that in order to hit target you know you have to come over the top, subconsciously your brain knows this. It’s asking for a 2 way miss. If you have a good grip most of the time the swing path and plane will be half decent because grips sets hands wrist and forearms in neutral alignment so unless the person does any crazy movements it’s unlikely they would need a 20 yard compensation. And it’s not a straight club path, relative to body it’s still very much over the top, when you make his motion with a neutral grip chances are the face will be open to the path.

It’s a merry go round. Amatuer golfers find it easier to control path than face. Having elite face control and speed is generally what separates talented golfers and not so talented golfers. I suppose it comes down to what kind of person you’re trying to teach. It’s not in me to know I’m aiming miles from my intended target and know I must inherently use a swing fault to hit that target. Fair enough if the person is happy playing off a 4 handicap and above but you will find few players below this kind of level that would play like this and I honestly would hate to send my son to a coach who told him, it’s ok lad your only swinging 6 degrees to the left, your face is relatively ok to path. Just try aiming 20 yards right
 
But your forgetting that in order to hit target you know you have to come over the top, subconsciously your brain knows this. It’s asking for a 2 way miss. If you have a good grip most of the time the swing path and plane will be half decent because grips sets hands wrist and forearms in neutral alignment so unless the person does any crazy movements it’s unlikely they would need a 20 yard compensation. And it’s not a straight club path, relative to body it’s still very much over the top, when you make his motion with a neutral grip chances are the face will be open to the path.

It’s a merry go round. Amatuer golfers find it easier to control path than face. Having elite face control and speed is generally what separates talented golfers and not so talented golfers. I suppose it comes down to what kind of person you’re trying to teach. It’s not in me to know I’m aiming miles from my intended target and know I must inherently use a swing fault to hit that target. Fair enough if the person is happy playing off a 4 handicap and above but you will find few players below this kind of level that would play like this and I honestly would hate to send my son to a coach who told him, it’s ok lad your only swinging 6 degrees to the left, your face is relatively ok to path. Just try aiming 20 yards right
I don't know where to start with all that but...

''Amatuer golfers find it easier to control path than face'' makes me think either you have no idea or experience about teaching or you're on a wind up.
 
I don't know where to start with all that but...

''Amatuer golfers find it easier to control path than face'' makes me think either you have no idea or experience about teaching or you're on a wind up.
You would be shocked at how consistently amateur golfers swing a certain path but the face control is all over the place. One good swing might be 1 degree within path but will fluctuate wildly and the path will remain much more consistent. Amateur golfers are generally very poor at controlling face. Did you play golf to any kind of county or national level ? Are you trackman certified?
 
You would be shocked at how consistently amateur golfers swing a certain path but the face control is all over the place. One good swing might be 1 degree within path but will fluctuate wildly and the path will remain much more consistent. Amateur golfers are generally very poor at controlling face. Did you play golf to any kind of county or national level ? Are you trackman certified?
If amateurs are so good at controlling their swing path, why do so many swing out to in?
The reason the clubface is inconsistent is often down to a weak left hand and strong right hand or holding the club too much in the palms.
The poor grip is easily fixable, the swing path not easy to fix.....unless you aim right.
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I was off 2 in 1976 and I turned pro in 2004
 
If amateurs are so good at controlling their swing path, why do so many swing out to in?
The reason the clubface is inconsistent is often down to a weak left hand and strong right hand or holding the club too much in the palms.
The poor grip is easily fixable, the swing path not easy to fix.....unless you aim right.
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I was off 2 in 1976 and I turned pro in 2004
I never said they were good at zeroing path, although path is very repeatable for an amateur golfer. Its inability to have consistent face to path which causes the inconsistency. Path is much more repeatable than people think, not saying the path will be optimal but it will for the most part be repeatable
 
I don't know where to start with all that but...

''Amatuer golfers find it easier to control path than face'' makes me think either you have no idea or experience about teaching or you're on a wind up.
I don’t teach, I have been offered in my younger days numerous opportunities to take up a path in golf however felt I would rather keep it my hobby as I didn’t want to lose the love for the game. Would have only turned professional if I could get on tour which unfortunately my talent never quite got me there
 
I never said they were good at zeroing path, although path is very repeatable for an amateur golfer. Its inability to have consistent face to path which causes the inconsistency. Path is much more repeatable than people think, not saying the path will be optimal but it will for the most part be repeatable
To be fair, you did say
''Amatuer golfers find it easier to control path than face.''
Had you said their path was consistently bad, I would agree but I was proposing a quick way for a slicing amateur to hit the ball straight.

There are only 5 components in golf that have a DIRECT influence on how the ball behaves.
In no specific order....

1. Angle of attack
2. Speed
3. Hitting the sweet spot
4. Swing path
5. Clubface direction

The ball doesn't care about the backswing or the grip or the aim.
Obviously as a coach you'd prefer everything perfect but in golf that's not possible.
So we alter the swing path by aiming right, not spending months/years on the range on a swing rebuild and we check the grip is neutral so the face returns to the ball square to the swing path.
 
To be fair, you did say
''Amatuer golfers find it easier to control path than face.''
Had you said their path was consistently bad, I would agree but I was proposing a quick way for a slicing amateur to hit the ball straight.

There are only 5 components in golf that have a DIRECT influence on how the ball behaves.
In no specific order....

1. Angle of attack
2. Speed
3. Hitting the sweet spot
4. Swing path
5. Clubface direction

The ball doesn't care about the backswing or the grip or the aim.
Obviously as a coach you'd prefer everything perfect but in golf that's not possible.
So we alter the swing path by aiming right, not spending months/years on the range on a swing rebuild and we check the grip is neutral so the face returns to the ball square to the swing path.
So you ask the golfer to aim 20 yards right instead of making a simple change to backswing to allow a more neutral path. This isn’t going to work long term. It’s still over the top majorly in terms of plane. If the face is off to such a path it’s going to produce absolutely wild shots with major curve. I own a trackman I know as well as anyone how path to face works, your students will go to another coach 6 months later with a 2 way miss if this is the approach.

I don’t rate your methods to be honest if this is your approach. It seems very much like sticking new wallpaper over the old stuff without actually doing any real prep work.
 
To be fair, you did say
''Amatuer golfers find it easier to control path than face.''
Had you said their path was consistently bad, I would agree but I was proposing a quick way for a slicing amateur to hit the ball straight.

There are only 5 components in golf that have a DIRECT influence on how the ball behaves.
In no specific order....

1. Angle of attack
2. Speed
3. Hitting the sweet spot
4. Swing path
5. Clubface direction

The ball doesn't care about the backswing or the grip or the aim.
Obviously as a coach you'd prefer everything perfect but in golf that's not possible.
So we alter the swing path by aiming right, not spending months/years on the range on a swing rebuild and we check the grip is neutral so the face returns to the ball square to the swing path.
I know exactly what affects ball flight and what doesn’t. No pictures on a scorecard etc I’ve had coaching off of some top top coaches. There’s members at my club and other local clubs who ask me for advice before they would go to a pro
 
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