DQ offence?

[Bash]

You were robbed. As already stated, any changes don't have to be initialled. Your card should be allowed to stand. Your handicap/competition secretary has blatently gone against R&A rulings on card completion.
(I happen to know them inside out now, having shot a gross 74 off a 14 handicap in a stableford last weekend for 46 points to find out I was to be DQ'd for signing for incorrect score (quite rightly). It was my mistake but at least my card was accepted for a handicap cut (after being withdrawn from the comp), which was my main concern (Cut by 2.4)
My instance was my error but you've done nothing to warrant a DQ (Hopefully your club captain will sort it out for you and get you the result you deserve

 

[garyinderry]

at my club i have to pay course fees and club fees to get handicap. i paid these in full when i joined. the following year i again paid the course fee but was unaware that i had to pay the club fee again. i went out and won a competition after working hard to play to the bloody 18 handicap that they gave me to start with that i was nowhere near playing to.

got cut two shots and never got my prize. i was on the course the following day when i got the call to give me the bad news. gutted wasnt the word for it.

ive never topped the pile since. three second places since with some monster scores like a 46 on presidents day.

will i ever top the tree again? SHAFTED!

 

[rosecott]

at my club i have to pay course fees and club fees to get handicap. i paid these in full when i joined. the following year i again paid the course fee but was unaware that i had to pay the club fee again. i went out and won a competition after working hard to play to the bloody 18 handicap that they gave me to start with that i was nowhere near playing to.

got cut two shots and never got my prize. i was on the course the following day when i got the call to give me the bad news. gutted wasnt the word for it.

ive never topped the pile since. three second places since with some monster scores like a 46 on presidents day.

will i ever top the tree again? SHAFTED!

Sounds a bit dodgy. If you didn't pay the club fee, then you weren't a member. They can't chop a non-member.

 

[bladeplayer]

at my club i have to pay course fees and club fees to get handicap. i paid these in full when i joined. the following year i again paid the course fee but was unaware that i had to pay the club fee again. i went out and won a competition after working hard to play to the bloody 18 handicap that they gave me to start with that i was nowhere near playing to.

got cut two shots and never got my prize. i was on the course the following day when i got the call to give me the bad news. gutted wasnt the word for it.

ive never topped the pile since. three second places since with some monster scores like a 46 on presidents day.

will i ever top the tree again? SHAFTED!

They accepted your entry fee gave you a card, even tho you didnt qualify to play in the comp ? very strange that

 

[garyinderry]

ill be honest with you, i was a bit bamboozeled by the whole thing tbh. i should never have been cut right enough as my handicap should have been inactive! i didnt know that at the time!

 

[bladeplayer]

there are notices up all over the place in our gaf when it gets near sub time .. subs due by such a date or you cant play in the comps ..

 

[garyinderry]

there are notices up all over the place in our gaf when it gets near sub time .. subs due by such a date or you cant play in the comps ..

is one of the things that i was told. i never used to go into the club house. parked in the closed spot to the first and headed out. i was only intrested in the golf. i just took it for granted that once i paid my fees that was it. harsh lesson learnt. the only time i went into the shop was to pay for the competitions.

 

[duncan mackie]

is one of the things that i was told. i never used to go into the club house. parked in the closed spot to the first and headed out. i was only intrested in the golf. i just took it for granted that once i paid my fees that was it. harsh lesson learnt. the only time i went into the shop was to pay for the competitions.

so in this instance you shafted yourself - although I see some handicap process issues as highlighted above.

 

[bladeplayer]

so in this instance you shafted yourself - although I see some handicap process issues as highlighted above.

They should not have taken his money for the comp tho Duncan , the benifit of computerisation there should be a block on anyone that has not paid, that way anyone in garys position would be told before they played , you cant play or at least you are not eligable to win a prize , & he would have known & sorted it ..

 

[USER1999]

If you never go in the club house, you get what you deserve. It's a golf club, not a golf course.

 

[daveyc2k2]

Blimey, if that were a rule of golf then I'd be DQ'd every week with Davey scoring my card!

Time to raise hell Jack.

You're not wrong there. We have to start teeing off the first more. It messes with my brain going off of 10. Every time I put the scores in the wrong place. Just as well I use a pencil and not a pen.

Definitely raise it Jack, unless it's a local rule you have done nothing wrong.

 

[bladeplayer]

If you never go in the club house, you get what you deserve. It's a golf club, not a golf course.

Bit harsh murph ? ok i do see where you are coming from regarding supporting the club , but surely if he pays the same sub as everyone else he can use it as he sees fit for his own use .. within the rules of course ..

Gary , where do ya pay your comp fees & get your card ? the notice should b up there ...

 

[bluewolf]

If you never go in the club house, you get what you deserve. It's a golf club, not a golf course.

Utter poppycock of the highest order. How he uses the club that he has PAID to join is completely his own business. Are there any other things he isn't entitled to in your opinion?

 

[USER1999]

I hate car park members. They might as well pay and play, and free up a membership for someone who wants to join a club.

If he ever went in the club house, he would know that he was inactive. You can only become inactive through putting less than 3 cards in in 12 months. So not only does he not join in in being part of the club, but he doesn't even play in the comps. He then expects to rock up, put in one card, and win a prize. Not going to happen. This is exactly why the inactive system was brought in.

 

[bluewolf]

Where does it say that he hadn't been playing enough qualifying comps? He states his h/c had become inactive as he hadn't paid the proper fees.

You may not like carpark members, but they exist and have as much right to play as anyone else, or should we just award all prizes to the stereotypical club bar lush?

 

[garyinderry]

i have no call for hanging around a club house drinking. i live 5mins frm the course so i dont eat there either! i go to my golf course to play golf, i make my friends at the 1st tee. not at the 19th hole! i played in countless comps the previous year and that wasnt my 1st of that year! in fact i had just gone up to 19 due to an away day the day before the win. funny enough i won by a point!

 

[duncan mackie]

They should not have taken his money for the comp tho Duncan , the benifit of computerisation there should be a block on anyone that has not paid, that way anyone in garys position would be told before they played , you cant play or at least you are not eligable to win a prize , & he would have known & sorted it ..

unfortunately there is almost certainly more than one 'computer system' involved here; there would be inmost clubs I suspect.

you can cover off some eligibility issues with some combinations of systems, but even there there can be issues (for example we permit inactive handicaps in 'normal comps' but not trophy, additional eligibility to trophy has to be extracted from records rather than being a field in the software, inactives can't win any qualifying element attached to a monthly medal (hall of fame, EGU event etc) but can play in the underlying event as above, handicap and membership records are resolved through the year but the membership sec doesn't cancel someones handicap if the renewal is a day late although they would be ineligible to play a comp until payed etc etc etc

So, yes it shouldn't happen but then again you could argue the player shouldn't have entered.

My point was that in a thread about clear cut responsibilities and consequences this example isn't clear cut.

I have absolutely no issue with 'car park golfers' unless they start to complain about issues that would generally be resolved by reading notice board (or the bar prices.....)

 

[bobmac]

(for example we permit inactive handicaps in 'normal comps' but not trophy

I can't see a difference?
Unless the trophy comps are fully subscribed?

 

[duncan mackie]

I can't see a difference?
Unless the trophy comps are fully subscribed?

I do not think we are alone in having additional eligibility conditions on board/trophy events - frequently 3 competition returns in the previous 12 months. Interesting if other clubs no longer do this?

Whilst it's possible to comply with this but have an incactive handicap, when this category came in it was added to the above trophy eligibility.

For representative qualification there is frequently an eligibility condition requiring an active handicap - we therefore include it automatically to avoid the inevitable issues when someone is supposed to have got it active before a date and failed (as with recent thread here on club knockouts!)

Are we alone?

 

[bobmac]

What I meant was if the player can enter a comp but cant win it due to an inactive h/cap, does it matter whether its a board comp or not? Unless of course as I said, the comp was full and he was stopping someone else from playing who has an acrtive h/cap