Doing the right thing?

[HRC99]

I had a pretty decent round yesterday with 41 points. It was off yellows and CSS was 3 below par.

When I checked I had been cut 0.3 yesterday which leaves me at 16.2. I spoke briefly to the handicap secretary who told me I'd made a mistake on my card as I'd got a 4 on the 16th rather than a 3.

When I thought about it, I had actually got a 3 but he'd put the correct points down when we were checking the scoring.

Note to self - check gross scores not points in future.

To my mind, I should have been cut a further 0.3. I'll be telling the handicap secretary next week. Will I be cut automatically, if not, I think I should ask to be cut a further 0.3 voluntarily?

 

[RGDave]

I don't really know. You signed a card with 41 points which had a 4 written down instead of a 3. (?) 41 points should give you "two shots worth" of h'cap cut. If the points stand, you should get 0.6. However, if it was me, I'd only give you 40 points, 'cause you signed for a 4 and that means you really scored 40 points, even though you made 41

 

[sev112]

Odd -
1) How does teh Sec know what you scored on any hole is different from what is on your card ?

2) If he is right and you signed for a 3, when he says you actually got a 4, then he shoudl have disqualified you straight away.

Never ever come across any handicap committee ever allowing voluntary cuts.

 

[beggsy]

well actually you should be disqualified for an incorect card find yourself lucky

 

[HRC99]

I signed for a gross score that was higher than my actual score so I don't see why I should be disqualified.

The Handicap Secretary didn't know that the gross score was wrong. The card was incorrect because my playing partner had put down 4 for 3 for 3 rather than the actual 3 for 2 for 3.

I ended up getting 40 points rather than 41 which is my fault and a lesson learned.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

I agree, you should be disqualified for signing an incorrect card.

However, if you haven't been disqualified then your cut is wrong.

If CSS is 3 under par then playing to your handicap means scoring 39 points. If you got 41 it's a 0.6 cut.

Speak to the H'Cap secretary and tell him what you think but you can't cut yourself.

 

[jammydodger]

I think youre ok to sign for a higher score than you took , the score then stands as written on the card. Only if you sign for a lower score than you took (sign for a 3 when you took a 4) then you get disqualified.

In this case the 4 instead of 3 stands and drops you one point off your total and gives you 40 pts. Entirely your fault i'm afraid , EVERYONE should always go through their GROSS score with their marker after every round. Points are totally irrelevant on the score card. If you get your gross scores right then mistakes on points can be rectified with no penalty when the card is checked later.

 

[Twire]

What he said ^^^^^^^^^^

Your only obliged to put your gross score on the card.

 

[bobmac]

What would happen if you did check your card and noticed the mistake. You then scored off the 4, replaced it with the correct score of 3 but don't initial the change. What happens then?

 

[Robobum]

What would happen if you did check your card and noticed the mistake. You then scored off the 4, replaced it with the correct score of 3 but don't initial the change. What happens then?

Nowt.

 

[bobmac]

What would happen if you did check your card and noticed the mistake. You then scored off the 4, replaced it with the correct score of 3 but don't initial the change. What happens then?

Nowt.

Smart ar*e
Lots of people still think you have to initial any change made to a score card.

 

[HRC99]

I am sure that, whilst not advisable, you can sign for a higher score and not be disqualified.

In the same way that you can play off a lower (and incorrect) handicap and not be disqualified but if you play off a higher (and incorrect) handicap you are disqualified.

Roberto di Vincenzo signed for an incorrect (and higher) score in the Masters in 1968. He would have made a play off had he spotted and corrected the mistake. Ouch.

Does anyone know what will happen as far as my handicap goes? Is my scorecard (as signed) inviolate and no further adjustment can be made?

I also wonder what would happen as far as your handicap goes if you were disqualified, would the card be counted for handicap purposes?

 

[viscount17]

I am sure that, whilst not advisable, you can sign for a higher score and not be disqualified.

correct rule 6-6d

the marker is only responsible for putting down gross score for each hole, nothing else.
you are responsible for checking gross score for each hole, and for all 'header' information.

the committee is responsible for total score, deduction of handicap and Stableford points

 

[HRC99]

Well, I finally caught up with the Handicap Secretary last night. I haven't seen him for a bit and, as it wasn't going to make a difference to my playing handicap, I hadn't rung him either.

I got short shrift and was told that the score that I signed for was the only one that matters so my handicap would not be amended.

Oh well, at least I did the right thing and tried!

 

[Kellfire]

Would signing for a higher gross score not also be a disqualification because it could, potentially, be an attempt to artificially raise your handicap for the future?

 

[Ethan]

You are DQ'd from the comp, but the handicap sec can take the true score into account for cut purposes.

The only scores you need to complete on the card are the 18 individual hole scores. If you put down a higher score, it stands. If you put down a lower score, and sign for it, DQ.

Totals for each 9, the whole 18 and points are the responsibility of the committee and if you make a mistake in those, they do not stand.

 

[Ethan]

Would signing for a higher gross score not also be a disqualification because it could, potentially, be an attempt to artificially raise your handicap for the future?

It is probably assumed that this is usually a mistake. There is a broad rule of golf about proper conduct which could be used if deliberate inflation was taking place and you could be DQd and have your handicap suspended. Same applies for other gross misconduct, such as deliberately deflecting an opponents ball etc.

 

[Kellfire]

I need to get myself a copy of the rules for my bag, they confuddle the hell outta me.