Does God Exist?

[JustOne]

Those who believe in God see the effects of something around them - and though they cannot see that something, they construct their understanding of that entity on what they can see - and they choose to call it God.

I totally agree with that rationale... if you can't explain clouds... God makes them.

(unfortunately we can expalin clouds... getting the God botherer to understand that is the hard part), many would still have you believe in an arc containing all species....

 

[SocketRocket]

I find it difficult to comprehend the steps that led from Volta messing with metal discs and salt soaked leather to produce the first electric cell to result the surround-sound 3D TV, but that's no reason to drag a God creature into it.

I don't understand therefore God did it - really?

Please dont misquote me. I didn't mention a 'God Creature' did I?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I totally agree with that rationale... if you can't explain clouds... God makes them.

(unfortunately we can expalin clouds... getting the God botherer to understand that is the hard part), many would still have you believe in an arc containing all species....

OK - I don't believe you scientists about black holes - show me one.

And yes - clouds are an element of the worlds climate system - and there is beauty in that system. Did it just happen like that - we can use our scientific understandings to explain it. But because we can explain how it works that doesn't necessarily take away from the fact that it's an incredibly efficient, clever and beautiful system that you can choose to believe happened or came about through time. Or you might believe otherwise (btw - I am maybe being a bit of a devil's advocate in this).

I have to add I am not a 6 day creationist. On the 7th day God looked at what he had created and thought 'blimey - that bit of land would make a cracking links golf course'. So - being alone and not fancying a round by himself God came up with Adam and Eve for partners. God knew that Men and Women would be quite different but had no idea who'd be best at golf so he thought he'd best take both along to find out. So off God went for a mixed three ball with Adam and Eve - prize being an apple for her to keep - so Eve must have won the first ever golf match. However God was angry with Eve as she gave Adam a bite of apple (hence why winner of golf match buys drink for loser) and decided at that point that a women would henceforth struggle to beat a man at golf. On all other matters Womankind would have the upperhandover man (or at least consider themselves to have) - but man would be happy with his lot as he would be top dog at golf and every so often would get a bitwe of his lady's apple.

 

[walshawwhippet]

We are just not capable of understanding infinite space so have no certain idea of what happens way out there. I also find it difficult to comprehend how the complexity in a string of DNA and the vast amount of information it contains evolved from a piece of Algae.

Algae has dna socket, theres an in depth paper at www.plantcell.org detailing its evolutionary lineage through the mitochondrial dna. Not the stuff of a blockbuster though i must admit.
As for not knowing everything i couldn't agree with you more. The laws of physics though are universal so the speed of light here is the the speed of light billions of light years away, so the more we learn here the more we learn about the whole universe. We just need to keep on learning.
Isn't science great :lol:

 

[walshawwhippet]

The reproduction in the lab does not provide evidence of spontaneous life. In fact creationists use the fact that it take an intelligent being to provide the correct conditions as proof there is a God. Due to this science will never satisfactorily explain the creation of life in a lab to those who hold intelligent design beliefs. Annoying.

As for the other parts, this is what I was wanting to see. The questioning mind failing to accept commonly held beliefs that are often presented by those with faith. Faith can be a blindfold to reality. This doesn't just go for God. UFOolgists, etc all end up interpreting things based on there faith in the existence of UFO etc.

What I love about science is the willingness to adjust and change based on the available evidence and a refusal to tak a firm stance until they are sure the evidence all there. Hence so many theories.

But Bob surely the fact that a mere mortal can produce life, negates the need for a supreme being to do so ?
Apart from that we apear to be singing from the same "hymn sheet". All the time i was doing my degree not once did i here the phrase "scientific fact". Science as you say is based on theories that are developed and expanded over time, or ultimatly shown to be inaccurate which is also an acceptable outcome because we have learned from our errors.:thup:

 

[walshawwhippet]

OK - I don't believe you scientists about black holes - show me one.

Very clever SLH, best science joke thus far :rofl:

 

[Andy808]

OK - I don't believe you scientists about black holes - show me one.

As nothing can escape the gravity of a black hole even light then they can't be seen. BUT they do do something that proves their location and existance in the form of mass ejactions. Below is Centaurus A galaxy with mass ejections from the supermassive black hole shooting a million light years into space.

These lobes are filled with matter streaming from particle jets near the galaxy's central black hole. Astronomers estimate that matter near the base of these jets races outward at about one-third the speed of light. The enormous energy output of galaxies like Cen A comes from gas falling toward a black hole weighing millions of times the sun's mass. Through processes not fully understood, some of this infalling matter is ejected in opposing jets at a substantial fraction of the speed of light. Detailed views of the jet's structure will help astronomers determine how they form. The jets strongly interact with surrounding gas, at times possibly changing a galaxy's rate of star formation. Jets play an important but poorly understood role in the formation and evolution of galaxies.

 

[JustOne]

Day 4 of creation
.... the sun, moon and the stars, busy day with over 200 billion in our galaxy alone

Day 6 of creation
.... mankind.... now that's my kinda day! 2 people, job done.

 

[SocketRocket]

Day 4 of creation
.... the sun, moon and the stars, busy day with over 200 billion in our galaxy alone

Day 6 of creation
.... mankind.... now that's my kinda day! 2 people, job done.

He wasent Bob the Builder.

 

[Foxholer]

I also find it difficult to comprehend how the complexity in a string of DNA and the vast amount of information it contains evolved from a piece of Algae.

Just consider bacteria/virus and how quickly they can be transformed. The apparently random aberations over millions of instances and a sufficient number of generations can certainly have an evolutionary effect! We also have huge limitation with time. We may think biblical times were a long time ago, but in the greater scope of Earth or the Solar system, let alone start of time, that is nothing.

 

[SocketRocket]

Just consider bacteria/virus and how quickly they can be transformed. The apparently random aberations over millions of instances and a sufficient number of generations can certainly have an evolutionary effect! We also have huge limitation with time. We may think biblical times were a long time ago, but in the greater scope of Earth or the Solar system, let alone start of time, that is nothing.

OK, let me put it another way:

Human DNA contains more than 3 Billion genetic characters. Whose mind or what entity could shrink and miniaturize such information and place our DNA's enormous number of 'letters' in their correct sequence as a genetic building block.

 

[JustOne]

OK, let me put it another way:

Human DNA contains more than 3 Billion genetic characters. Whose mind or what entity could shrink and miniaturize such information and place our DNA's enormous number of 'letters' in their correct sequence as a genetic building block.

Your DNA strands are passed on one to the next, not created individually, so technically our DNA contains that of algae and/or every living organism that came before us on our 'chain' of evolution. There was no 'correct' sequence.. it evolved.

 

[SocketRocket]

Your DNA strands are passed on one to the next, not created individually, so technically our DNA contains that of algae and/or every living organism that came before us on our 'chain' of evolution. There was no 'correct' sequence.. it evolved.

If I filled a bath with water and came back in a million years would I expect to find a fish swimming in it?

 

[JustOne]

If I filled a bath with water and came back in a million years would I expect to find a fish swimming in it?

Perhaps, if it's exposed to the elements and the occasional volcano :mmm:

...maybe a bit longer than 1 million yrs if you want a big fish though

 

[SocketRocket]

Perhaps, if it's exposed to the elements and the occasional volcano :mmm:

...maybe a bit longer than 1 million yrs if you want a big fish though

Something fishy in the air then.

A cherry stone in the ground grows into a cherry tree that grows many cherries. These fall to the ground and some grow into more cherry trees, and so on infem item. What are the chances of the first cherry stone evolving without a tree.

 

[Iaing]

If I filled a bath with water and came back in a million years would I expect to find a fish swimming in it?

I'd hope to find enough to feed the 5000.

 

[JustOne]

Something fishy in the air then.

A cherry stone in the ground grows into a cherry tree that grows many cherries. These fall to the ground and some grow into more cherry trees, and so on infem item. What are the chances of the first cherry stone evolving without a tree.

The cherry tree followed whatever preceded it. We have trees in this county that has something that looks just like cherries on it but they're not edible ones called Prunus cerasifera.....

I'm sure something came before that... and that,...etc and probably goes back to something that didn't have a stone.. more of a pip.... and before that perhaps a seed..... and back a few more times and it was probably a grass.

 

[SocketRocket]

The cherry tree followed whatever preceded it. We have trees in this county that has something that looks just like cherries on it but they're not edible ones called Prunus cerasifera.....

I'm sure something came before that... and that,...etc and probably goes back to something that didn't have a stone.. more of a pip.... and before that perhaps a seed..... and back a few more times and it was probably a grass.

James, thats a bit of a cop out. What ever you go back to needs a seed to start it growing. Or, did the seed also evolve from a primeval soup?

 

[SocketRocket]

I'd hope to find enough to feed the 5000.

Was that meant to be funny or intelectual?

 

[Iaing]

Was that meant to be funny or intelectual?

Why?
Are the two mutually exclusive?