Does God Exist?

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I dont know how many people have actually read the Bible and understand what it says, rather than what other people tell you it says.

Interestingly enough the Bible does not tell you that people go to heaven when they die. It actually tells you that you will not go there.
 
you are all wrong (he he he)

God doesnt exist, and neither do any of you (or me)

we are all the figment of the imagination of a piece of algae that is slowly developing a brain and deciding whether it wznts to evolve any more, and it's currently deciding against it
 
sev112 said:
you are all wrong (he he he)

God doesnt exist, and neither do any of you (or me)

we are all the figment of the imagination of a piece of algae that is slowly developing a brain and deciding whether it wznts to evolve any more, and it's currently deciding against it
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He must live in Dudley then?
 
Valentino said:
Ok I'll try and explain why and describe my experience. Apologies for the tone it may contain.

I don't think I had ever cried at a funeral my whole life and on the 2nd of September this year my Mum died very suddenly, a sad and devastating day and a day I dreaded happening my whole life. My mum was not i'll so all very shocking.

Fast forward 5 days to the day of the funeral, I stayed as strong as I could for my own family, my brother and my mums 3 sisters and did not cry a tear the whole week even during the funeral however afterwards was a different kettle of fish, yes I cried and cried a lot.

Why?

I'll tell you why, I lost my mum and the stark realisation that the women who made me the person I grew to be was no longer here, I can no longer wish her happy birthday, happy christmas or happy mothers day in person. Sure I can go to the cemetary and visit and say a few words to give me a bit of comfort but it's not the same. I miss her every single day.

It's my thought that people cry at funerals because people realise that those being put to rest will no longer be there to lend an ear for a chat or sound off.
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As most on here know my mum sucummbed to cancer at the end of September and your post has had me reaching for the hankie again. Absolutely and completely encapusulates where I'm at
 
HomerJSimpson said:
As most on here know my mum sucummbed to cancer at the end of September and your post has had me reaching for the hankie again. Absolutely and completely encapusulates where I'm at
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I can't say I know what your going through Martin as your circumstance was completely different but I do understand where your at.

Take it easy mate

Martin
 
An interesting thought for me is, why are people who are staunch believers so afraid of death? I have worked with a few of the faithful, who have not made retirement, and all without fail were scared witless at the thought of dying. If you truly believe in god, and that you are going to a much better place, surely there is nothing to be frightened of? Ok, you'll miss your family, briefly (given an eternity in heaven, what's a few decades waiting for them), but is it not something to look forward to? Like Christmas?
 
murphthemog said:
An interesting thought for me is, why are people who are staunch believers so afraid of death? I have worked with a few of the faithful, who have not made retirement, and all without fail were scared witless at the thought of dying. If you truly believe in god, and that you are going to a much better place, surely there is nothing to be frightened of? Ok, you'll miss your family, briefly (given an eternity in heaven, what's a few decades waiting for them), but is it not something to look forward to? Like Christmas?
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I know I am repeating this but the Bible does not say that people will go to a better place (heaven) This is a myth perpetuated by the church to frighten people to join. The Bible, which is the rule book for Christianity says that you will not go to heaven.
 
Hobbit said:
I am a yes. I was brought up Catholic, should that read brainwashed, and had the very dubious pleasure of a Catholic school and, for those who know, the harsh discipline of the Christian Brothers - and there was little christian in their methods of discipline. At the first chance I dropped the Catholic bit and very much keep my faith and religeon to myself. For example, my mother, a God faring Irish Catholic was convinced I was a non-believer and would burn in hell. She was stunned to find out, just before she died, that I had never lost my faith but just my belief in the controlling that the church does.

I don't think any less of a non-believer, nor do I think I'm any better. Its just who and what I am. I have a code of conduct that just happens to have some 'thing' at its pinnacle. That code of conduct is what the vast majority of the world believes, albeit with or without a God at the top.

I don't "ram it..." and in truth rarely talk about it. There's no need. It is for me what it is. If someone else wants to take it on-board there's more than enough 'experts' in the world to point them in the direction of a church and a book without me adding my muddled thoughts.
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murphthemog said:
An interesting thought for me is, why are people who are staunch believers so afraid of death? I have worked with a few of the faithful, who have not made retirement, and all without fail were scared witless at the thought of dying. If you truly believe in god, and that you are going to a much better place, surely there is nothing to be frightened of? Ok, you'll miss your family, briefly (given an eternity in heaven, what's a few decades waiting for them), but is it not something to look forward to? Like Christmas?
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I'm not frightened of it. I am very saddened by the thought of the pain my loved ones might go through - mind you, there's one or two that might cheer.

For me its just a natural progression just like putting one foot in front of another as you walk down the street.
 
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walshawwhippet said:
Oh goody hear we go.
DNA similarities excist because we have all evolved from the same slime(no not him)that evolved from complex amino acids 3.5 billion yrs ago. A process that has been reproduced in laboratories. Not yet "proved" bacause this is science, just the latest theory backed by evidence.
As for neolithic/bronze age technological abilities there is quite a lot of archeological evidence in existance. We are talking of a culture here who had only just become agrarian and yet some people believe they had the technology to build the largest ocean going vessel ever built by man out of WOOD. I'am no engineer but i would say the tollerencies involved would render this undertaking impossible.
Know for the pyramids. We now exactly how they were built. The Egyptians left written records, records recently unearthed. Interestingly the theories put forward prior to these discoveries were remarkably close to reality, but then they were theories based on the archeological evidence previously in existance.
Science is based on evidence, evidence from results garnered from experiments that can be repeated. Faith is just that, faith, it is not a theory. IMO of course :ears:
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The reproduction in the lab does not provide evidence of spontaneous life. In fact creationists use the fact that it take an intelligent being to provide the correct conditions as proof there is a God. Due to this science will never satisfactorily explain the creation of life in a lab to those who hold intelligent design beliefs. Annoying.

As for the other parts, this is what I was wanting to see. The questioning mind failing to accept commonly held beliefs that are often presented by those with faith. Faith can be a blindfold to reality. This doesn't just go for God. UFOolgists, etc all end up interpreting things based on there faith in the existence of UFO etc.

What I love about science is the willingness to adjust and change based on the available evidence and a refusal to tak a firm stance until they are sure the evidence all there. Hence so many theories.
 
bladeplayer said:
To me as i said earlier , believe what you want to believe but treat others with the respect you would want in return ,

Dont confuse religions by the people that run them tho , the people who over the years have used different interpetations to sway things for their own means , can any "story" "fact" or happening be truly recounted over 5 years ? let alone thousands of years ..


Im a catholic but im not blind or mad enough to know that there are mad atrocities carried out in the name of my religion.

Im not arrogant or bullish enough to say i obey every single rule of the catholic church , i dont .

Im not so religious as to think my ways are right & yours are wrong , my best friend is a protestant . we would give anything for each other , not in the name of religion , in the act of friendship .

Believe in what ever gives you hope & consolation when you need it but remember (& i know Garth Brooks put it in a song) but even before that, sometimes unanswered prayers turn out to be the best result for you in the long run , what you want, might not be whats best for you ..

I have played golf , worked doors , traveled parts of the world & never asked the people i met do you or what God do you believe in ? its not important to me

I have seen my kids born , be sick, get better & grow strong , and every time ive prayed to my God for his help & every night i thank him for the good life i have ..
Just wanted to share that , Is there a God ? For me yes , believe what you wana believe but be a good person doing it

Sorry for going on ,
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As Valentino said, could have written it myself. I was a brought up a Catholic the same as my mum's side, whereas my dad's side were Protestant, who always went out on the "12th". Both sides of the family know each other very well and get on well. Both sides are probably more bothered if your a blue (although both sides are red).

From earlier comments though, don't give me that science is great and religion isn't though - utter tosh.

Science has advanced the human race in lots of ways, but has also taught us how to make bombs that can kill millions in one fell swoop,invented strains of diseases that can do the same, injure and maim animals on a daily basis, and I'm sure in time will probably do unspeakable acts in the future.

For the above, also see organised religion. Like everything on earth there is good and bad in everything.

BTW - don't get me started on the old chestnut "most wars are fought over religion" - Pish and fip.
 
Science has produced telescopes that can detect light from billions of light years away, can detect the background radiation from the last "Big-bang" but guess who they haven't seen? (Apart from Santa)
If God designed everything -who designed him/her.
and just because he was here first does that mean he /she gets to make all the rules - (what about the R&A?)
 
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Yerman said:
Science has produced telescopes that can detect light from billions of light years away, can detect the background radiation from the last "Big-bang" but guess who they haven't seen? (Apart from Santa)
If God designed everything -who designed him/her.
and just because he was here first does that mean he /she gets to make all the rules - (what about the R&A?)
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We are just not capable of understanding infinite space so have no certain idea of what happens way out there. I also find it difficult to comprehend how the complexity in a string of DNA and the vast amount of information it contains evolved from a piece of Algae.
 
SocketRocket said:
We are just not capable of understanding infinite space so have no certain idea of what happens way out there. I also find it difficult to comprehend how the complexity in a string of DNA and the vast amount of information it contains evolved from a piece of Algae.
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I find it difficult to comprehend the steps that led from Volta messing with metal discs and salt soaked leather to produce the first electric cell to result the surround-sound 3D TV, but that's no reason to drag a God creature into it.

I don't understand therefore God did it - really?
 
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Yerman said:
Science has produced telescopes that can detect light from billions of light years away, can detect the background radiation from the last "Big-bang" but guess who they haven't seen? (Apart from Santa)
If God designed everything -who designed him/her.
and just because he was here first does that mean he /she gets to make all the rules - (what about the R&A?)
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Ah - but we cannae actually see a black hole can we - we can detect and observe the effect (background radiation) of something out there and then construct our understanding of what that something might be on the basis of what we can observe of it's effect - we choose to call it a black hole.

Those who believe in God see the effects of something around them - and though they cannot see that something, they construct their understanding of that entity on what they can see - and they choose to call it God.
 
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