Does God Exist?

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Haven't you just answered your own question in that statement? Things exist therefore they (Es&Ps) do.

Equal and opposite is just one combination of an infinite number of combinations - but you only need that one combination to occur (and statistically it is as likely as any other one combination) and we have stuff. Bit like meeting someone who knows someone you know well in very unlikely circumstances etc. (our 'oh what a coincidence - what a small world' moment).

Wouldn't it be odd it be odder if you never met somone who knows someone you know in 'less than ordinary' circumstances.

 

[JustOne]

There should have been a poll in this thread.

 

[Foxholer]

OK, let me put it another way:

Human DNA contains more than 3 Billion genetic characters. Whose mind or what entity could shrink and miniaturize such information and place our DNA's enormous number of 'letters' in their correct sequence as a genetic building block.

Woops. Lost this thread for a day or so. Maybe the Gods meant it that way.

Seems to me that the engineer in you is coming out and that you think that there had to be a conscious decision to build something - and a certain way. The approach that the Evolution/Survival of the Fittest model takes is that random differences over vast time that created the differences. I believe there's something like 99% match between humans and other apes!

You may as well ask why we don't all look the same, or only have one colour for eyes - or skin!

Genesis also seemed to have a few issues with how long people lived too! I don't actually think that Evolution and Creation are incompatible. I just don't believe the way the Creation event was reported!

 

[chris661]

There should have been a poll in this thread.

What do you want in in the poll?

 

[Foxholer]

What do you want in in the poll?

Yes
No
Maybe
Who Cares
There are lots of them

That should just about so.

BTW. A thought on the spiritual..... Why do they (need to) advertise Psychic Fairs?

 

[macca64]

No,
in my opinion

 

[SocketRocket]

No,
in my opinion

Do you have anything that justifies this opinion?

 

[forefortheday]

If God exists who created God?

If you believe he created himself then surely that ruins the "what was there before space" argument?

I doubt we will ever answer the question of what came before or how it all came to existence but ironically science is probably the only way of proving God exists.

Unless he decides to get Old Testament on us again.

 

[stevelev]

I will believe anything that can be proven, so someone prove to me that GOD exists and I'm a believer, until then its just peoples faith and an inherent weakness and need to have something to turn to instead of inner strength



Bring on the crosses or arms and trunks, or legs, bellys or anything else that people worship

 

[drawboy]

There is only one way to find out, unfortunately you will not be coming back to tell anyone, so just wait 'cos one way or another you will know for sure in the end. Believe what you want while you are here, you aint here long, that is for sure.

 

[Iaing]

There is only one way to find out, unfortunately you will not be coming back to tell anyone, so just wait 'cos one way or another you will know for sure in the end. Believe what you want while you are here, you aint here long, that is for sure.

But even if we do "go on" it doesn't mean that God exists. It could be an entirely natural process.

 

[SocketRocket]

I will believe anything that can be proven, so someone prove to me that GOD exists and I'm a believer, until then its just peoples faith and an inherent weakness and need to have something to turn to instead of inner strength



Bring on the crosses or arms and trunks, or legs, bellys or anything else that people worship

So I guess you dont believe Abraham Lincoln existed. The only proof is in a book.

Do people actually worship Speedos?

 

[JustOne]

I only worship one thing...... woman :mmm:







......well several but you get the idea :cheers:

 

[walshawwhippet]

So I guess you dont believe Abraham Lincoln existed. The only proof is in a book.

Do people actually worship Speedos?

What a shame.
What started as a good debate argued rationally by people with differing views/ideas appears to have been hijacked by the YEC's.
Look at the eyes, the digestive system, the complexity of life, the universe etc, etc, this can't be random, there has to be a designer blah blah blah....
The problem with your views are there is no evidence Despite all the evidence thats shows the earth to be 4.5 billion yrs old and the universe to be around 13 billion yrs old you still prattle on that there was nothing before c7k yrs ago. Your proof, it s in the bible.
According to your bible, man was created in gods image. If that was the case then god is no supreme being. As species go we're rubbish. We have no night vision, an inifficient digestive system, are physically weak and without clothes would still be in Africa.
The one thing that has enabled us to be as successful as we are is the evolution of our brains. This has enabled us to adapt our environment to suit us, to develope technologies and communicate ideas effectivly. Some supreme being.
As for Abe i supose the 130 or so photographs known to be in existance were knocked up by ye-olde photoshoppe.

 

[SocketRocket]

What a shame.
What started as a good debate argued rationally by people with differing views/ideas appears to have been hijacked by the YEC's.
Look at the eyes, the digestive system, the complexity of life, the universe etc, etc, this can't be random, there has to be a designer blah blah blah....
The problem with your views are there is no evidence Despite all the evidence thats shows the earth to be 4.5 billion yrs old and the universe to be around 13 billion yrs old you still prattle on that there was nothing before c7k yrs ago. Your proof, it s in the bible.
According to your bible, man was created in gods image. If that was the case then god is no supreme being. As species go we're crap. We have no night vision, an inifficient digestive system, are physically weak and without clothes would still be in Africa.
The one thing that has enabled us to be as successful as we are is the evolution of our brains. This has enabled us to adapt our environment to suit us, to develope technologies and communicate ideas effectivly. Some supreme being.
As for Abe i supose the 130 or so photographs known to be in existance were knocked up by ye-olde photoshoppe.

I thought you may have understood the tongue in cheek there.

Where have I made those comments. Please show me where I have disagreed with the age of the earth or Universe. Where have I quoted anything from the bible.

I have issues with whether evolution is proven, I also find it difficult to understand how such complex structures like DNA could exist without design. You have a habit of reading what you want to hear into other peoples posts without even reading them properly. It does you no justice.

You are entitled to your views and I will not rubbish you for them. I may put forward a conflicting debate and dont mind others disagreeing or making alternative suggestions. I do not like the type of immature rants that you are indulging in though. You just did the same in another thread and as I have suggested it insults your intelligence.

 

[USER1999]

I will believe anything that can be proven, so someone prove to me that GOD exists and I'm a believer, until then its just peoples faith and an inherent weakness and need to have something to turn to instead of inner strength



Bring on the crosses or arms and trunks, or legs, bellys or anything else that people worship

It's a belief based system. If you believe, you can't know, and if you know, you can't believe.

 

[walshawwhippet]

I thought you may have understood the tongue in cheek there.

Where have I made those comments. Please show me where I have disagreed with the age of the earth or Universe. Where have I quoted anything from the bible.

I have issues with whether evolution is proven, I also find it difficult to understand how such complex structures like DNA could exist without design. You have a habit of reading what you want to hear into other peoples posts without even reading them properly. It does you no justice.

You are entitled to your views and I will not rubbish you for them. I may put forward a conflicting debate and dont mind others disagreeing or making alternative suggestions. I do not like the type of immature rants that you are indulging in though. You just did the same in another thread and as I have suggested it insults your intelligence.

As in my other post i apologise for my tone and apparant abruptness this morning. My excuse is red wine and the blinding headache i had this morning hic....hic..
Having read through the entire thread it would appear i have placed you in the wrong camp, again my regrets.
What i won't apologise for though is my obvious exaserbation at your reluctance to accept evolution. Why do you feel there must be a designer? Yes life is complex socket, but its been around an awful long time.

 

[SocketRocket]

As in my other post i apologise for my tone and apparant abruptness this morning. My excuse is red wine and the blinding headache i had this morning hic....hic..
Having read through the entire thread it would appear i have placed you in the wrong camp, again my regrets.
What i won't apologise for though is my obvious exaserbation at your reluctance to accept evolution. Why do you feel there must be a designer? Yes life is complex socket, but its been around an awful long time.

As I have suggested the natural way of change tends to be towards simplification, nature tends not to move towards more complicated structures. This is known as the Second Law of Thermodynamics and no exception has ever been found to this law.

The fossil records show gaping holes between differing types, this is alo true in the suggested evolution of Humans, the link cannot be found that proves unequivocally that man has evolved from Apes. It is not enough to suggest that man has similar features to an ape, for example Cows are more closely related to dolphins than they are to horses.

I can go on about this but in brief these are some of the things that create doubt in my mind and the minds of others. Maybe I should ask you why you believe Evolution is proven without question.

 

[19thagain]

Of course He does!

I see HIM in the eyes of the homeless as I help to ease their problems with the love I have been given. It could be the food or the winter clothes or maybe me being a good listener. They normally have some story to tell that tugs the heartstrings and makes you feel 'but for the grace of God' and that makes me feel very humble in their company.

When they leave ... their handshake is stronger .. their head is higher .. and in their eyes??? The BIG FELLOW!

Religion? Now that is a different matter - you see, religion of whatever kind, is man made.

 

[ScienceBoy]

The fossil records show gaping holes between differing types,

There is a reason for that.

I do sit firmly in one camp but I see no reason to force my beliefs on others, I just expect the same treatment in return! If I happen to turn out to be wrong I am going to stand by the decisions I made a long time ago and accept the consequences!